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10-06-2011, 03:43 AM   #1
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Ron Paul says the media could be next on the hit list

Ron Paul has always been on his own particular edge and I actually agree with some of his positions... but he's really gone around the bend with his objections to the killing of al Awlaki. Now in order to stir up fear he is telling the media that they could be next.

First Read - Ron Paul suggests media could be targeted by government

Possible? well yeah, dang near anything is possible... Likely? hardly...

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Some of us like taking things to the absurd extreme.
However, he is right in that once a door has been opened......
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"Can you imagine being put on a list because you're a threat? What's going to happen when they come to the media?" Paul asked during an appearance at the National Press Club. "The media becomes a threat or a professor becomes a threat. Some day that could well happen. This is the way it works. It's incrementalism."

And he is logically correct.

But what he ignores is that any human endeavor can fall victim to "incrementalism" or, as I prefer, the slippery slope argument.

I don't see him speaking out against, for instance, the possibility that with the elimination of all restraints on capital that this may eventually lead to states totally under the thumb of narrow commercial interests. Just another possible example of his "incrementalism".

So what else is new? This kind of thinking I find so shallow, simple and dull.
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Hasn't this sort of thing happened already, and repeatedly so? I think back to the most obvious examples, Nixon's Enemies list, McCarthy's Red scare, and Hoover's FBI.

And the slippery slope? There's a huge difference between a free-press pest and a terrorist who is effectively an enemy of all governments... Someone who writes about uncomfortable truths and someone who plots and carries out terrorist acts, killing people in the process.

Along the same lines, we might say that there's a slippery slope between shoplifting and mass murder: as soon as we say mass murderers deserve the death penalty, aren't shoplifters the next logical target?

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QuoteOriginally posted by wildman Quote
"Can you imagine being put on a list because you're a threat? What's going to happen when they come to the media?" Paul asked during an appearance at the National Press Club. "The media becomes a threat or a professor becomes a threat. Some day that could well happen. This is the way it works. It's incrementalism."

And he is logically correct.

But what he ignores is that any human endeavor can fall victim to "incrementalism" or, as I prefer, the slippery slope argument.

I don't see him speaking out against, for instance, the possibility that with the elimination of all restraints on capital that this may eventually lead to states totally under the thumb of narrow commercial interests. Just another possible example of his "incrementalism".

So what else is new? This kind of thinking I find so shallow, simple and dull.
True. It is a bit like saying that if a government agent had dumped Jim Jones' container of cyanide-laced Kool-Aid, the next step would have been banning soft drinks.

(Well, I'm not sure he is even logically correct. Slippery Slope is often considered a fallacy)

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Ron Paul= Ross Perot 2

Ron Paul is another idiot from Texas like Ross Perot .

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Perot's paranoia is pretty well known, due to his announcement in 1992 that he was quitting the presidential race (in which he was a very strong contender) because Republican's were planning to disrupt his daughters wedding (by forging photos of phony lesbian sex.) But it has long been typical of him.

He thinks he lost his 1993 debate to Al Gore because Gore had a hidden earpiece, through which he was being fed answers, or possibly questions. (Posner, p330). While he was serving on a Texas anti-drug commission in the early 1980s, he became convinced that Charles Harrelson (the father of actor Woody Harrelson, from "Cheers") had been hired to kill him by drug dealers. (The elder Harrelson is in fact a career criminal doing time for killing a federal judge.) The FBI dismissed his fears as baseless.

In 1992, Perot claimed that the North Vietnamese government had hired the Black Panthers to assasinate him, back in 1970, because of his efforts on behalf of POWs. He even said that "one night they had five people coming across my front lawn with rifles", and that a guard dog bit a big piece out of one attacker's butt.

However, Harold Birkhead, the man who ran security (including the dogs) at Perot's house at the time, says he never saw or heard about anything like that. And Paul McCaghren, who headed Dallas police intelligence in 1970, also dismisses the notion. "... it did not happen. There were only about 8 people here [in Dallas] that belonged to the Black Panther party. Two of those people worked for us, and they told us every day what was happening." (Posner, p66)

Just before Perot's 1993 debate with Gore, he announced that the FBI had alerted him that a six-member Cuban hit squad had been sent to murder him. "The organization is a Mafia-like group in favor of the North American Free Trade Agreement", Perot claimed. (Posner, p327-8) The FBI had told him about an anonymous tip that he would be assassinated, but public figures get weird threat calls all the time. What is striking is that Perot believed the claim, embellished it and announced it publicly.
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QuoteOriginally posted by GeneV Quote
Well, I'm not sure he is even logically correct.
Perhaps.
But you would have a hell of a time arguing as a prior probability that a state enemies list of journalist and academics could not happen.


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QuoteOriginally posted by wildman Quote
Perhaps.
But you would have a hell of a time arguing as a prior probability that a government enemies list of journalist and academics could not happen.
Well, "could not" is a pretty low standard, so I'd have to agree. I could win the lottery.
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could not" is a pretty low standard
Exactly.

And that is the even lower standard Paul implies -"Can you imagine being put on a list because you're a threat?" and "What's going to happen when they come to the media?".

Paul is smarter than that. He must know he is talking humbug.

It sounds stuffy and old fashioned but to me these people have no honor.
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Nixon's Enemies list, McCarthy's Red scare, and Hoover's FBI.
note that it has happened several times
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What Ron Paul was talking about was media members being summarily executed for their activities... Sure, the government has (and has had) all kinds of lists of undesirable characters or enemies (can anyone say NO FLY LIST?). I'm sure George Dubya had several other large lists... But seldom if ever have any of those lists led to court sanctioned executions absent real evidence of serious crimes against the country, much less summary executions like al Awlaki.
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One only has to consider Rupert Murdock to realize press/media is beyond reproach.
There are some glaring examples listed in this thread of governmental abuses.
Press/media salient in righting wrongs. Irreplaceable.
Above all else though,I have to consider the source.
incrementalism? No
Patronage? When's the election now?
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It's not always necessary to kill them.

Where's Bradley Manning?
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The idea that a few unknown people in govt. can decide an American citizen deserves a death sentence and then carry it is scarier to me than al-Qaeda. Ron Paul is 100% right to bring this issue out in the open. How many court decisions are decided on legal precedence? To set a precedent and allow this to continue could become everyone's worse nightmare in a few years.
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QuoteOriginally posted by shooz Quote
It's not always necessary to kill them.

Where's Bradley Manning?
EXACTLY.

I remember an influential quote. Those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither.

What Ron Paul is saying is already happening. The Al Jazeera journalist Sami al-Haj who spent seven years in gitmo with NO CHARGES. He claims he was tortured as well. Bradley Manning is locked up without charge for showing the world the illegal activities the US was doing.

I don't care what you say, the US gov't executed a US citizen without a trial. If he is guilty of treason, bring him into court and prove it to a jury of his peers. HE IS ENTITLED TO THAT.

Btw assassination is an international war crime.
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