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altopiet · 10-20-2011, 05:22 AM

(Reuters) - Former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi died of wounds suffered in his capture near his hometown of Sirte on Thursday, a senior NTC military official said. Gaddafi dies of wounds: NTC official | Reuters

Good riddance.

jogiba · 10-20-2011, 05:44 AM

An image captured off a cellular phone camera appears to show Moammar Gadhafi after his capture in Sirte Thursday.

seacapt · 10-20-2011, 07:09 AM

OK so now NATO has gotten what it wanted. Lets see what flavor of insanity takes control of Libya next. Somehow those folks on the news this morning dancing in the street with knives , swords and rifles really didn't look like leadership material to me.

GeneV · 10-20-2011, 07:17 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by seacapt

OK so now NATO has gotten what it wanted. Lets see what flavor of insanity takes control of Libya next. Somehow those folks on the news this morning dancing in the street with knives , swords and rifles really didn't look like leadership material to me.

I'll bet a few Brits said that about 250 years ago.

shooz · 10-20-2011, 07:18 AM

Well, they have installed a "central" bank.

Wheatfield · 10-20-2011, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by seacapt

OK so now NATO has gotten what it wanted. Lets see what flavor of insanity takes control of Libya next. Somehow those folks on the news this morning dancing in the street with knives , swords and rifles really didn't look like leadership material to me.

Something we seem to forget in the West (though how we forget it is inexplicable) is that a lot of peoples are ungovernable by the method that we take for granted (Western style democracy).
So we go in and remove or help remove an evil dictator and it's anarchy until another evil dictator rises to the top.
All we can do is hope that the next one likes us (and continues to like us).

Workingdog · 10-20-2011, 07:39 AM

I'll bet we (The USA) droned him, despite what we are being told and shown.

Wheatfield · 10-20-2011, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Workingdog

I'll bet we (The USA) droned him, despite what we are being told and shown.

That would be unfortunate if it were true. It's one thing for a people to depose and execute their own bad leader, quite something else for a foreign power to assassinate a foreign leader no matter how odious he is.
Without knowing your political affiliations, how do you suppose the average Republican (even those with teabagger leanings) would react if Iran decided to assassinate your current president?

les3547 · 10-20-2011, 09:07 AM

As with all revolts, if bad guys get in charge when the fighting is over, it will be a tragedy. On the other hand, without the effort to overthrow Gaddafi, there was virtually no chance things could've improved since Gaddafi wasn't going to change and he had family lined up to take over when he died. A far more positive thing to see is the supportive role the US encouraged, and the UN got behind, quite different than the classic American style. Instead we supported a righteous effort and, more importantly, got the rest of the world to work together.

Wheatfield · 10-20-2011, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by les3547

As with all revolts, if bad guys get in charge when the fighting is over, it will be a tragedy. On the other hand, without the effort to overthrow Gaddafi, there was virtually no chance things could've improved since Gaddafi wasn't going to change and he had family lined up to take over when he died. A far more positive thing to see is the supportive role the US encouraged, and the UN got behind, quite different than the classic American style. Instead we supported a righteous effort and, more importantly, got the rest of the world to work together.

For this reason, you and all of your fellow countrymen have a reason to be proud. In these sorts of things, a cooperative effort is far better than a unilateral one, no matter how just the cause.

**boriscleto** · 10-20-2011, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Workingdog

I'll bet we (The USA) droned him, despite what we are being told and shown.

Don't want to believe that the French and Germans are capable of doing airstrikes?

Nesster · 10-20-2011, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Don't want to believe that the French and Germans are capable of doing airstrikes?

Germans, definitely... the French, errmmm....

reeftool · 10-20-2011, 09:40 AM

Unfortunately, that part of the world is likely to end up with another govt. that is equally evil.

GeneV · 10-20-2011, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by Nesster

Germans, definitely... the French, errmmm....

The French air force is rated above the German (with India in between). http://www.topyaps.com/top-10-strongest-air-forces-of-the-world/ The Israeli Air Force is way up there, at No. 3, though. Hmmm.

Parallax · 10-20-2011, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Workingdog

I'll bet we (The USA) droned him, despite what we are being told and shown.

Originally posted by boriscleto

Don't want to believe that the French and Germans are capable of doing airstrikes?

Originally posted by Nesster

Germans, definitely... the French, errmmm....

I'm not sure about the French and air strike capability either.
There are rumors that the French have a new battle tank, though. Details are a little sketchy but supposedly it has a 1200HP engine and a 4 speed transmission. When first released it only had a three speed ; Low Reverse, Second Reverse, and High Reverse. They were recalled early on to add a Low Forward in case somebody sneaks up behind them.

10-20-2011, 05:22 AM	#1
altopiet Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: The Gem of the Karoo, South Africa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,307	Gaddafi is dead (Reuters) - Former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi died of wounds suffered in his capture near his hometown of Sirte on Thursday, a senior NTC military official said. Gaddafi dies of wounds: NTC official \| Reuters Good riddance.

10-20-2011, 05:44 AM	#2
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	An image captured off a cellular phone camera appears to show Moammar Gadhafi after h An image captured off a cellular phone camera appears to show Moammar Gadhafi after his capture in Sirte Thursday.

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10-20-2011, 07:09 AM	#3
seacapt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: North Carolina , USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,271	OK so now NATO has gotten what it wanted. Lets see what flavor of insanity takes control of Libya next. Somehow those folks on the news this morning dancing in the street with knives , swords and rifles really didn't look like leadership material to me.

10-20-2011, 07:17 AM - 2 Likes	#4
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by seacapt OK so now NATO has gotten what it wanted. Lets see what flavor of insanity takes control of Libya next. Somehow those folks on the news this morning dancing in the street with knives , swords and rifles really didn't look like leadership material to me. I'll bet a few Brits said that about 250 years ago.

10-20-2011, 07:18 AM	#5
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Well, they have installed a "central" bank.

10-20-2011, 07:24 AM	#6
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,987	Originally posted by seacapt OK so now NATO has gotten what it wanted. Lets see what flavor of insanity takes control of Libya next. Somehow those folks on the news this morning dancing in the street with knives , swords and rifles really didn't look like leadership material to me. Something we seem to forget in the West (though how we forget it is inexplicable) is that a lot of peoples are ungovernable by the method that we take for granted (Western style democracy). So we go in and remove or help remove an evil dictator and it's anarchy until another evil dictator rises to the top. All we can do is hope that the next one likes us (and continues to like us).

10-20-2011, 07:39 AM	#7
Workingdog Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: York, PA Photos: Gallery Posts: 736	I'll bet we (The USA) droned him, despite what we are being told and shown.

10-20-2011, 09:05 AM	#8
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,987	Originally posted by Workingdog I'll bet we (The USA) droned him, despite what we are being told and shown. That would be unfortunate if it were true. It's one thing for a people to depose and execute their own bad leader, quite something else for a foreign power to assassinate a foreign leader no matter how odious he is. Without knowing your political affiliations, how do you suppose the average Republican (even those with teabagger leanings) would react if Iran decided to assassinate your current president?

10-20-2011, 09:07 AM	#9
les3547 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sebastopol, California Photos: Albums Posts: 2,020	As with all revolts, if bad guys get in charge when the fighting is over, it will be a tragedy. On the other hand, without the effort to overthrow Gaddafi, there was virtually no chance things could've improved since Gaddafi wasn't going to change and he had family lined up to take over when he died. A far more positive thing to see is the supportive role the US encouraged, and the UN got behind, quite different than the classic American style. Instead we supported a righteous effort and, more importantly, got the rest of the world to work together.

10-20-2011, 09:12 AM	#10
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,987	Originally posted by les3547 As with all revolts, if bad guys get in charge when the fighting is over, it will be a tragedy. On the other hand, without the effort to overthrow Gaddafi, there was virtually no chance things could've improved since Gaddafi wasn't going to change and he had family lined up to take over when he died. A far more positive thing to see is the supportive role the US encouraged, and the UN got behind, quite different than the classic American style. Instead we supported a righteous effort and, more importantly, got the rest of the world to work together. For this reason, you and all of your fellow countrymen have a reason to be proud. In these sorts of things, a cooperative effort is far better than a unilateral one, no matter how just the cause.

10-20-2011, 09:32 AM	#11
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,477	Originally posted by Workingdog I'll bet we (The USA) droned him, despite what we are being told and shown. Don't want to believe that the French and Germans are capable of doing airstrikes?

10-20-2011, 09:35 AM	#12
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	Originally posted by boriscleto Don't want to believe that the French and Germans are capable of doing airstrikes? Germans, definitely... the French, errmmm....

10-20-2011, 09:40 AM	#13
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,555	Unfortunately, that part of the world is likely to end up with another govt. that is equally evil.

10-20-2011, 09:46 AM	#14
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by Nesster Germans, definitely... the French, errmmm.... The French air force is rated above the German (with India in between). http://www.topyaps.com/top-10-strongest-air-forces-of-the-world/ The Israeli Air Force is way up there, at No. 3, though. Hmmm.

10-20-2011, 09:50 AM	#15
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Originally posted by Workingdog I'll bet we (The USA) droned him, despite what we are being told and shown. Originally posted by boriscleto Don't want to believe that the French and Germans are capable of doing airstrikes? Originally posted by Nesster Germans, definitely... the French, errmmm.... I'm not sure about the French and air strike capability either. There are rumors that the French have a new battle tank, though. Details are a little sketchy but supposedly it has a 1200HP engine and a 4 speed transmission. When first released it only had a three speed ; Low Reverse, Second Reverse, and High Reverse. They were recalled early on to add a Low Forward in case somebody sneaks up behind them.

Gaddafi is dead

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