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**boriscleto** · 10-28-2011, 11:29 AM

Rick Perry: The Best Little Whore In Texas | Politics News | Rolling Stone

Quote:

Those in Texas who have followed Perry most closely over the years have all come to the same conclusion about him. "He's a cash-and-carry governor," says Craig McDonald, director of Texans for Public Justice, a group that monitors campaign contributions in the state. "He has an extremely strong stomach for holding his nose and doing really dirty favors."

"He'll be whatever you want him to be," says one longtime political opponent. "He's all about greed."

"There's no line he won't cross," says another.

"This guy doesn't believe in one damn thing," says a third.

jeffkrol · 10-28-2011, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Rick Perry: The Best Little Whore In Texas | Politics News | Rolling Stone

A bit more potent than the "All hat and no cattle".. isn't it......

Parallax · 10-28-2011, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by jeffkrol

A bit more potent than the "All hat and no cattle".. isn't it......

Shore is, pardner.

kenafein · 10-28-2011, 12:56 PM

It's crazy that the Republicans couldn't bring one real(reasonable) candidate to the table and I'm still afraid Obama might lose.

jeffkrol · 10-28-2011, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by kenafein

It's crazy that the Republicans couldn't bring one real(reasonable) candidate to the table and I'm still afraid Obama might lose.

Scarey isn't it..........

reeftool · 10-29-2011, 06:06 AM

This brings up another question. Are there any "reasonable" Republicans?

kenafein · 10-29-2011, 07:09 AM

Used to be. I think Reagan secretly started arranging "accidents" for them after his coupe. Even Nixon would be a dirty 'socialist' by today's standards.

**NaClH2O** · 10-29-2011, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by reeftool

This brings up another question. Are there any "reasonable" Republicans?

Maybe Olympia Snowe, but I can't think of any others. Her collegue, Susan Collins used to exhibit some independent thinking, but has since rejoined the Republican fold (as in a sheep fold)

NaCl(but you are correct, "a reasonable Republican" is certainly a oxymoron)H2O

gokenin · 10-29-2011, 10:53 AM - **1 Like**

Of course by reasonable you all mean one that reflects your view of politics or am I wrong?

kenafein · 10-29-2011, 11:11 AM

No, just someone who's not an insane extremist. I didn't agree with old guard republicans, but I could respect their opinions.

redrockcoulee · 10-29-2011, 11:58 AM

A reasonable politician is one that works for the best of their district and their country and knows that compromises are the name of the game so that the policies and laws are for both people on the right and on the left. Unreasonable ones are the ones that will only work towards their side regardless of the consequences. Prohibiting all mining or removing all limits on mining are both unreasonable regardless if you are a hard line environmentalists or believe that industry should have no regulations. A reasonable politician would be one that supported proper (in my opinion on this I guess) protection of the environment at the same time as allowing for mining in a safe manner. Banning all mining or banning all rules for mining companies are unreasonable policies and it does not matter which side of the question you are on a compromise is needed for the good of the area in both environmental and economic terms. Should not matter if you are on the left or the right except of course where the line is drawn but one can think the person who wishes the line to be drawn a little further his way than you like still reasonable unless he wants it at the far end of the spectrum.

Wheatfield · 10-29-2011, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by gokenin

Of course by reasonable you all mean one that reflects your view of politics or am I wrong?

Politics is about compromising for the best possible outcome. The Republicans of late have been refusing to compromise to try to ensure the outcome that they want, which is not necessarily the best possible one.
A reasonable politician is one who will discuss options, not one who just packs up his marbles and refuses to play unless his way is guaranteed.

gokenin · 10-29-2011, 10:09 PM

I agree that politics to be effective should have an element of compromise to it in order to get things done, however I do object to the slant that it's only the Republicans that do not compromise I think we can all agree that both parties have members that can be criticized for being unwilling to compromise. As for the Republican candidates there is no way you can make a blanket statement they are all right wing extremists, I cant see how Ron Paul or even Rommney fall into that list. Now that loon Bachmann yes she fits as do some that are more right leaning than others but not all of them.

jeffkrol · 10-30-2011, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by gokenin

I agree that politics to be effective should have an element of compromise to it in order to get things done, however I do object to the slant that it's only the Republicans that do not compromise I think we can all agree that both parties have members that can be criticized for being unwilling to compromise. As for the Republican candidates there is no way you can make a blanket statement they are all right wing extremists, I cant see how Ron Paul or even Rommney fall into that list. Now that loon Bachmann yes she fits as do some that are more right leaning than others but not all of them.

Seems 70% of Obama's ideas had republican "roots" (some practically the whole tree). Much to many of us this "compromise" mode was a bit far off and even w/ it's built in compromise slant, had to be fought tooth and nail w/ the Repubs (given the built in compromise if you can't work from that SOMEONE is being unreasonable). The only "compromise" they want to see is a new prez.........

**boriscleto** · 10-30-2011, 06:48 AM

The Conservative Movement's Obsession with Symbolism Over Substance | AlterNet

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These Golden Calf conservatives have taken impulses that have been long ascendant on the Right, and way-too-present in American culture overall, and transformed their entire belief system into the Cirque de Soleil of idol worship. These days their leaders bow down before personality, mythology, ideology, theology and an unregulated market economy. These are revered in much the same manner anti-gay Republicans seem to hold a particular passion for the most quickly available RentBoy, or Kelsey Grammar does divorce court.

If you think I exaggerate, ponder what has brought the extreme right to public ecstasy over the last few months, and the right's obsessions in general, and tell me core members of the tea-party brigade aren't addicted to symbol over substance. Think about it ... Rick Perry. Paul Ryan's unworkable budget plan. Chris Christie. Guns. The Constitution (at least their mistaken reading of it). Socialism. Bigger guns. Wall Street. American Exceptionalism. Really, really big guns.

10-28-2011, 11:29 AM	#1
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,477	The Best Little Whore In Texas Rick Perry: The Best Little Whore In Texas \| Politics News \| Rolling Stone Quote: Those in Texas who have followed Perry most closely over the years have all come to the same conclusion about him. "He's a cash-and-carry governor," says Craig McDonald, director of Texans for Public Justice, a group that monitors campaign contributions in the state. "He has an extremely strong stomach for holding his nose and doing really dirty favors." "He'll be whatever you want him to be," says one longtime political opponent. "He's all about greed." "There's no line he won't cross," says another. "This guy doesn't believe in one damn thing," says a third.

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10-28-2011, 11:32 AM	#2
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434	Originally posted by boriscleto Rick Perry: The Best Little Whore In Texas \| Politics News \| Rolling Stone A bit more potent than the "All hat and no cattle".. isn't it......

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Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Originally posted by jeffkrol A bit more potent than the "All hat and no cattle".. isn't it...... Shore is, pardner.

10-28-2011, 12:56 PM	#4
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	It's crazy that the Republicans couldn't bring one real(reasonable) candidate to the table and I'm still afraid Obama might lose.

10-28-2011, 12:59 PM	#5
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434	Originally posted by kenafein It's crazy that the Republicans couldn't bring one real(reasonable) candidate to the table and I'm still afraid Obama might lose. Scarey isn't it..........

10-29-2011, 06:06 AM	#6
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,555	This brings up another question. Are there any "reasonable" Republicans?

10-29-2011, 07:09 AM	#7
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	Used to be. I think Reagan secretly started arranging "accidents" for them after his coupe. Even Nixon would be a dirty 'socialist' by today's standards.

10-29-2011, 08:11 AM	#8
NaClH2O Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bronx NY Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,631	Originally posted by reeftool This brings up another question. Are there any "reasonable" Republicans? Maybe Olympia Snowe, but I can't think of any others. Her collegue, Susan Collins used to exhibit some independent thinking, but has since rejoined the Republican fold (as in a sheep fold) NaCl(but you are correct, "a reasonable Republican" is certainly a oxymoron)H2O

10-29-2011, 10:53 AM - 1 Like	#9
gokenin Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lowell,ma Posts: 1,899	Of course by reasonable you all mean one that reflects your view of politics or am I wrong?

10-29-2011, 11:11 AM	#10
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	No, just someone who's not an insane extremist. I didn't agree with old guard republicans, but I could respect their opinions.

10-29-2011, 11:58 AM	#11
redrockcoulee Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Medicine Hat Posts: 2,306	A reasonable politician is one that works for the best of their district and their country and knows that compromises are the name of the game so that the policies and laws are for both people on the right and on the left. Unreasonable ones are the ones that will only work towards their side regardless of the consequences. Prohibiting all mining or removing all limits on mining are both unreasonable regardless if you are a hard line environmentalists or believe that industry should have no regulations. A reasonable politician would be one that supported proper (in my opinion on this I guess) protection of the environment at the same time as allowing for mining in a safe manner. Banning all mining or banning all rules for mining companies are unreasonable policies and it does not matter which side of the question you are on a compromise is needed for the good of the area in both environmental and economic terms. Should not matter if you are on the left or the right except of course where the line is drawn but one can think the person who wishes the line to be drawn a little further his way than you like still reasonable unless he wants it at the far end of the spectrum.

10-29-2011, 12:44 PM	#12
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,991	Originally posted by gokenin Of course by reasonable you all mean one that reflects your view of politics or am I wrong? Politics is about compromising for the best possible outcome. The Republicans of late have been refusing to compromise to try to ensure the outcome that they want, which is not necessarily the best possible one. A reasonable politician is one who will discuss options, not one who just packs up his marbles and refuses to play unless his way is guaranteed.

10-29-2011, 10:09 PM	#13
gokenin Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lowell,ma Posts: 1,899	I agree that politics to be effective should have an element of compromise to it in order to get things done, however I do object to the slant that it's only the Republicans that do not compromise I think we can all agree that both parties have members that can be criticized for being unwilling to compromise. As for the Republican candidates there is no way you can make a blanket statement they are all right wing extremists, I cant see how Ron Paul or even Rommney fall into that list. Now that loon Bachmann yes she fits as do some that are more right leaning than others but not all of them.

10-30-2011, 06:35 AM	#14
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434	Originally posted by gokenin I agree that politics to be effective should have an element of compromise to it in order to get things done, however I do object to the slant that it's only the Republicans that do not compromise I think we can all agree that both parties have members that can be criticized for being unwilling to compromise. As for the Republican candidates there is no way you can make a blanket statement they are all right wing extremists, I cant see how Ron Paul or even Rommney fall into that list. Now that loon Bachmann yes she fits as do some that are more right leaning than others but not all of them. Seems 70% of Obama's ideas had republican "roots" (some practically the whole tree). Much to many of us this "compromise" mode was a bit far off and even w/ it's built in compromise slant, had to be fought tooth and nail w/ the Repubs (given the built in compromise if you can't work from that SOMEONE is being unreasonable). The only "compromise" they want to see is a new prez.........

10-30-2011, 06:48 AM	#15
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,477 Original Poster	The Conservative Movement's Obsession with Symbolism Over Substance \| AlterNet Quote: These Golden Calf conservatives have taken impulses that have been long ascendant on the Right, and way-too-present in American culture overall, and transformed their entire belief system into the Cirque de Soleil of idol worship. These days their leaders bow down before personality, mythology, ideology, theology and an unregulated market economy. These are revered in much the same manner anti-gay Republicans seem to hold a particular passion for the most quickly available RentBoy, or Kelsey Grammar does divorce court. If you think I exaggerate, ponder what has brought the extreme right to public ecstasy over the last few months, and the right's obsessions in general, and tell me core members of the tea-party brigade aren't addicted to symbol over substance. Think about it ... Rick Perry. Paul Ryan's unworkable budget plan. Chris Christie. Guns. The Constitution (at least their mistaken reading of it). Socialism. Bigger guns. Wall Street. American Exceptionalism. Really, really big guns.