Kudos to 55% of Mississippi

GeneV · 11-09-2011, 06:38 AM

By a vote of more than 55%, Miss. has rejected an amendment which would grant personhood to a blastula, and turn the birth control pill into a murder weapon. The end results of this measure, had it passed, probably would have been more abortions, though performed with coat hangers or in other states while the law made its way through the court system.

mikemike · 11-09-2011, 09:20 AM

I am surprised the sheer stupidity of this initiative didn't draw enough democrats out to win the open gubernatorial race. When you look at the initiatives and the results I think it shows something interesting and positive with regard to actual republican's mood toward reproductive freedoms and women's rights.

Race (traditional conservative position)

traditional liberal position)

Personhood 42 yes:58 no
Require Photo ID for voting 62 yes:42 no
Governor 61 R:39 D

cardinal43 · 11-09-2011, 09:30 AM

Glad to see MS finally do something right. I grew up there (Hattiesburg).

Nesster · 11-09-2011, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by mikemike

Personhood 42 yes:58 no
Require Photo ID for voting 62 yes:42 no
Governor 61 R:39 D

one out of three... I suppose that is progress...

GeneV · 11-09-2011, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Nesster

one out of three... I suppose that is progress...

Yeah, if they can't get this silliness through in Miss., then they aren't going to do well anywhere.

Parallax · 11-10-2011, 09:02 AM

Yep, that whole "show ID to vote" thing is ridiculous.
Just think how horrible it would be if we had to show an ID to exercise other rights; like drive a car, or buy alcohol if you look too young, or open a bank account, or get a passport, or enter most Federal buildings, or join the military, or write a check, or....................................................

Wheatfield · 11-10-2011, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

Yep, that whole "show ID to vote" thing is ridiculous.
Just think how horrible it would be if we had to show an ID to exercise other rights; like drive a car, or buy alcohol if you look too young, or open a bank account, or get a passport, or enter most Federal buildings, or join the military, or write a check, or....................................................

Was the problem having to show ID, or was it Republican state governments shutting down DMV offices in what they felt would be Democrat areas, not making the free ID options available, etc, making it difficult for students who were living away from home (also tends to be Democrat voters) to exercise their voting rights, etc?
I've read that a lot of "Rebublican" states have been doing their level best to make it as difficult as possible for certain target groups to vote. By coincidence, those target groups tend to vote Democrat.

joe.penn · 11-10-2011, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

making it difficult for students who were living away from home (also tends to be Democrat voters) to exercise their voting rights, etc?

Students? College Students? You mean the 100% of college students that have a state issued ID as it is a requirement by the university to have one for admittance verification purposes anyways?

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Nesster · 11-10-2011, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by joe.penn

Students? College Students? You mean the 100% of college students that have a state issued ID as it is a requirement by the university to have one for admittance verification purposes anyways?

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Yeah those, only my daughter is one and doesn't have a state issued ID.

Oh, and how are they going to check photo ID when you vote by mail?

joe.penn · 11-10-2011, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Nesster

Yeah those, only my daughter is one and doesn't have a state issued ID.

Strange, took my niece down last year to get birth certificate so she could get her ID before we took her to Salisbury University for admittance.

Originally posted by Nesster

Oh, and how are they going to check photo ID when you vote by mail?

Very easily - military can be checked and verified without ID's, state department workers can also, so can red cross workers. For vacationers, tough luck, your vacation seemed to be more important than you voting anyways

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The goal is to stop the thousands of votes (tens of thousands) that come from 160 year old people that have been dead for the last 80+.

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Nesster · 11-10-2011, 10:53 AM

You didn't mention the college kids?

Where are the tens of thousands of 160 year old people dead for the last 80? References?

I do agree that setting up to vote seems so much simpler and less rigorous than getting a drivers license... it's a step above jury duty though, as you actually have to fill out a form to register. But, if you know people in different polling districts who are not going to vote, what's stopping you from making the rounds and voting a few times, 'on their behalf'?

Whatever. The age old tussle here is that the more populist party wants as few obstacles to voting as possible, so their people will vote. The less populist party wants to keep the riff raff out and mainly have their people vote.

Parallax · 11-10-2011, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Nesster

if you know people in different polling districts who are not going to vote, what's stopping you from making the rounds and voting a few times, 'on their behalf'?

It wouldn't matter if they were planning to vote, as long as you get to the polls ahead of them.

joe.penn · 11-10-2011, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by Nesster

Where are the tens of thousands of 160 year old people dead for the last 80? References?

Here are just a couple that came up with a simple google search:

MINNESOTA VOTE FRAUD: 2,812 Dead Voters | RedState
Dead people voting - Ballotpedia

Those are just two plucked from the results which refer to small state/county incidents - doesn't take much to figure out an average and put that "10's of thousands" number country wide.

Originally posted by Nesster

I do agree that setting up to vote seems so much simpler and less rigorous than getting a drivers license

And it should, voting is also just as simple as to get a valid states identification card also. If you can get a ride to the polls to vote or walk to the polls to vote, you can certainly get a ride or walk to the dmv/mva and fill out the small form, show them a bc and get your ID. Honestly, if someone is that lazy to NOT want to get a proper ID, then maybe they shouldn't be voting anyways.

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Wheatfield · 11-10-2011, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by joe.penn

Students? College Students? You mean the 100% of college students that have a state issued ID as it is a requirement by the university to have one for admittance verification purposes anyways?
..

I'm sure you'll write this off for some reason:
REPORT: In 22 Statehouses Across The Country, Conservatives Move To Disenfranchise Voters | ThinkProgress

Originally posted by joe.penn

The goal is to stop the thousands of votes (tens of thousands) that come from 160 year old people that have been dead for the last 80+.

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Do you have an actual citation for the above? This has been debunked as untrue for longer than you have likely been alive.

GeneV · 11-10-2011, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by joe.penn

Here are just a couple that came up with a simple google search:

MINNESOTA VOTE FRAUD: 2,812 Dead Voters | RedState
Dead people voting - Ballotpedia

Those are just two plucked from the results which refer to small state/county incidents - doesn't take much to figure out an average and put that "10's of thousands" number country wide.

And it should, voting is also just as simple as to get a valid states identification card also. If you can get a ride to the polls to vote or walk to the polls to vote, you can certainly get a ride or walk to the dmv/mva and fill out the small form, show them a bc and get your ID. Honestly, if someone is that lazy to NOT want to get a proper ID, then maybe they shouldn't be voting anyways.

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I am unable to find any source for the allegations about Minnesota other than right wing blogs which echo one another through Newsmax, Freerepublic, Redstate, etc.

The fact that no one cleans out voter rolls does not mean dead people are voting.

11-09-2011, 06:38 AM	#1
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Kudos to 55% of Mississippi By a vote of more than 55%, Miss. has rejected an amendment which would grant personhood to a blastula, and turn the birth control pill into a murder weapon. The end results of this measure, had it passed, probably would have been more abortions, though performed with coat hangers or in other states while the law made its way through the court system.

11-09-2011, 09:20 AM	#2
mikemike Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Orleans Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,053	I am surprised the sheer stupidity of this initiative didn't draw enough democrats out to win the open gubernatorial race. When you look at the initiatives and the results I think it shows something interesting and positive with regard to actual republican's mood toward reproductive freedoms and women's rights. Race (traditional conservative position)traditional liberal position) Personhood 42 yes:58 no Require Photo ID for voting 62 yes:42 no Governor 61 R:39 D

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Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	Originally posted by mikemike Personhood 42 yes:58 no Require Photo ID for voting 62 yes:42 no Governor 61 R:39 D one out of three... I suppose that is progress...

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GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830 Original Poster	Originally posted by Nesster one out of three... I suppose that is progress... Yeah, if they can't get this silliness through in Miss., then they aren't going to do well anywhere.

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Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Yep, that whole "show ID to vote" thing is ridiculous. Just think how horrible it would be if we had to show an ID to exercise other rights; like drive a car, or buy alcohol if you look too young, or open a bank account, or get a passport, or enter most Federal buildings, or join the military, or write a check, or....................................................

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Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by Parallax Yep, that whole "show ID to vote" thing is ridiculous. Just think how horrible it would be if we had to show an ID to exercise other rights; like drive a car, or buy alcohol if you look too young, or open a bank account, or get a passport, or enter most Federal buildings, or join the military, or write a check, or.................................................... Was the problem having to show ID, or was it Republican state governments shutting down DMV offices in what they felt would be Democrat areas, not making the free ID options available, etc, making it difficult for students who were living away from home (also tends to be Democrat voters) to exercise their voting rights, etc? I've read that a lot of "Rebublican" states have been doing their level best to make it as difficult as possible for certain target groups to vote. By coincidence, those target groups tend to vote Democrat.

11-10-2011, 10:12 AM	#8
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by Wheatfield making it difficult for students who were living away from home (also tends to be Democrat voters) to exercise their voting rights, etc? Students? College Students? You mean the 100% of college students that have a state issued ID as it is a requirement by the university to have one for admittance verification purposes anyways? .. ..

11-10-2011, 10:14 AM	#9
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	Originally posted by joe.penn Students? College Students? You mean the 100% of college students that have a state issued ID as it is a requirement by the university to have one for admittance verification purposes anyways? .. .. Yeah those, only my daughter is one and doesn't have a state issued ID. Oh, and how are they going to check photo ID when you vote by mail?

11-10-2011, 10:24 AM	#10
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by Nesster Yeah those, only my daughter is one and doesn't have a state issued ID. Strange, took my niece down last year to get birth certificate so she could get her ID before we took her to Salisbury University for admittance. Originally posted by Nesster Oh, and how are they going to check photo ID when you vote by mail? Very easily - military can be checked and verified without ID's, state department workers can also, so can red cross workers. For vacationers, tough luck, your vacation seemed to be more important than you voting anyways ... The goal is to stop the thousands of votes (tens of thousands) that come from 160 year old people that have been dead for the last 80+. ..

11-10-2011, 10:53 AM	#11
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	You didn't mention the college kids? Where are the tens of thousands of 160 year old people dead for the last 80? References? I do agree that setting up to vote seems so much simpler and less rigorous than getting a drivers license... it's a step above jury duty though, as you actually have to fill out a form to register. But, if you know people in different polling districts who are not going to vote, what's stopping you from making the rounds and voting a few times, 'on their behalf'? Whatever. The age old tussle here is that the more populist party wants as few obstacles to voting as possible, so their people will vote. The less populist party wants to keep the riff raff out and mainly have their people vote.

11-10-2011, 11:07 AM	#12
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by Nesster if you know people in different polling districts who are not going to vote, what's stopping you from making the rounds and voting a few times, 'on their behalf'? It wouldn't matter if they were planning to vote, as long as you get to the polls ahead of them.

11-10-2011, 11:14 AM	#13
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by Nesster Where are the tens of thousands of 160 year old people dead for the last 80? References? Here are just a couple that came up with a simple google search: MINNESOTA VOTE FRAUD: 2,812 Dead Voters \| RedState Dead people voting - Ballotpedia Those are just two plucked from the results which refer to small state/county incidents - doesn't take much to figure out an average and put that "10's of thousands" number country wide. Originally posted by Nesster I do agree that setting up to vote seems so much simpler and less rigorous than getting a drivers license And it should, voting is also just as simple as to get a valid states identification card also. If you can get a ride to the polls to vote or walk to the polls to vote, you can certainly get a ride or walk to the dmv/mva and fill out the small form, show them a bc and get your ID. Honestly, if someone is that lazy to NOT want to get a proper ID, then maybe they shouldn't be voting anyways. --

11-10-2011, 11:15 AM	#14
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by joe.penn Students? College Students? You mean the 100% of college students that have a state issued ID as it is a requirement by the university to have one for admittance verification purposes anyways? .. I'm sure you'll write this off for some reason: REPORT: In 22 Statehouses Across The Country, Conservatives Move To Disenfranchise Voters \| ThinkProgress Originally posted by joe.penn The goal is to stop the thousands of votes (tens of thousands) that come from 160 year old people that have been dead for the last 80+. .. Do you have an actual citation for the above? This has been debunked as untrue for longer than you have likely been alive.

11-10-2011, 11:36 AM	#15
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830 Original Poster	Originally posted by joe.penn Here are just a couple that came up with a simple google search: MINNESOTA VOTE FRAUD: 2,812 Dead Voters \| RedState Dead people voting - Ballotpedia Those are just two plucked from the results which refer to small state/county incidents - doesn't take much to figure out an average and put that "10's of thousands" number country wide. And it should, voting is also just as simple as to get a valid states identification card also. If you can get a ride to the polls to vote or walk to the polls to vote, you can certainly get a ride or walk to the dmv/mva and fill out the small form, show them a bc and get your ID. Honestly, if someone is that lazy to NOT want to get a proper ID, then maybe they shouldn't be voting anyways. -- I am unable to find any source for the allegations about Minnesota other than right wing blogs which echo one another through Newsmax, Freerepublic, Redstate, etc. The fact that no one cleans out voter rolls does not mean dead people are voting.