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01-24-2012, 05:04 AM   #16
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The existence of the Soviet Union made for a lot of interesting stuff, e.g. in Finland's politics... Contrarywise, though I'm sure the politburo members were just as ruthless infighters as any corporate executives, I'm sure the existence of the capitalist dialectical threat on a Marxist country was felt equally beneficial to the elite there.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Nesster Quote
The existence of the Soviet Union made for a lot of interesting stuff, e.g. in Finland's politics... Contrarywise, though I'm sure the politburo members were just as ruthless infighters as any corporate executives, I'm sure the existence of the capitalist dialectical threat on a Marxist country was felt equally beneficial to the elite there.
The paradox I tried to convey was that that the benefits of Communism [to the public/mass] were perhaps inversely proportional to the distance to Moscov . The USSR certainly had its own elite in power, very different and much more static shceme (than the US) though (also opaque, I suppose the inner workings are still a bit of a mystery, as in, say, how Khrushchev got into power after Stalin and how he was dethroned).

The political scene here certainly got kinky due to Soviet influence; compared to, say, Estonia (never mind the Russians themselves) we got off with limited damage though.

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The political scene here certainly got kinky due to Soviet influence; compared to, say, Estonia (never mind the Russians themselves) we got off with limited damage though.
And for that we owe our grandparents a big debt of gratitude... and even to Urkki, in a way... Finland could so easily been Estonia.
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