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01-24-2012, 04:07 AM   #1
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CBC/Neil Macdonald: Media hatred and the rise of Newt Gingrich

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Another trope: Obama constantly apologizes for America abroad. There is no record of Obama ever having done so, unless you're truly paranoid about his early olive branch to the Islamic world, or furious about his reflection that while he believes America is "exceptional," most other countries regard themselves the same way.

Then there are the constant jibes that he's a socialist (despite having consistently coddled Wall Street with bailout money and tax cuts) and soft on terrorists (tell that to Osama bin Laden or the hundreds killed by this administration’s steeply accelerated program of drone strikes abroad).

Likewise, anyone who spends his or her time entirely inside the MSNBC or Daily Kos universe probably believes Mitt Romney is a parasitic corporate predator, Ron Paul is a libertarian nut case and Rick Santorum wants to turn America into an Iran-like theocracy. Gingrich is written off as a bloviating narcissist.

It’s all foolishness of course. All four of the remaining Republican candidates say worthwhile things, as does Obama.
But listening to the other side makes thinking more complicated, and can upset one's life inside the cocoon.

It's much easier to self-reinforce, and bare your teeth. But it is unserious, and no way to pick a leader.
Neil Macdonald: Media hatred and the rise of Newt Gingrich - World - CBC News

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Much of the so-called "media hatred" is in reality truth hatred. Those who sell generalizations, facile evaluations and outright lies resent being called on it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jolepp Quote
Likewise, anyone who spends his or her time entirely inside the MSNBC or Daily Kos universe probably believes Mitt Romney is a parasitic corporate predator, Ron Paul is a libertarian nut case and Rick Santorum wants to turn America into an Iran-like theocracy. Gingrich is written off as a bloviating narcissist.
Any proof that any of this isn't the case?

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It’s all foolishness of course. All four of the remaining Republican candidates say worthwhile things, as does Obama.
Like what? Any counter arguments like those provided for Obama? You can't just say "It's all foolishness", provide some examples that prove the progressive media wrong.
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Well, to take the other side for a moment, one can argue that in specific limited cases the things Bain does are net beneficial to the economy. The problem of course is that like any corporation, Bain and its principals are insatiable: every year has to bring new deals and new bonanzas in order to justify existence. Therefore very soon you start getting a high percentage of deals that should not be done, which indeed are parasitic and harmful to the economy and country.

I won't speak of the other three

There are indeed 'worthwhile' things the Republican candidates say, on occasion, good for debate and as counterpoint... remember though that 'worthwhile' isn't the same as 'right' or 'good idea'!

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Any proof that any of this isn't the case?



Like what? Any counter arguments like those provided for Obama? You can't just say "It's all foolishness", provide some examples that prove the progressive media wrong.
I was quoting the CBC article verbatim. I would not mind seeing some concrete examples myself.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jolepp Quote
I was quoting the CBC article verbatim. I would not mind seeing some concrete examples myself.
I wasn't asking you. I was just criticizing the article worthless puff piece.
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Well, to take the other side for a moment, one can argue that in specific limited cases the things Bain does are net beneficial to the economy. The problem of course is that like any corporation, Bain and its principals are insatiable: every year has to bring new deals and new bonanzas in order to justify existence. Therefore very soon you start getting a high percentage of deals that should not be done, which indeed are parasitic and harmful to the economy and country.

I won't speak of the other three

There are indeed 'worthwhile' things the Republican candidates say, on occasion, good for debate and as counterpoint... remember though that 'worthwhile' isn't the same as 'right' or 'good idea'!
Yes, To some extent, I'd say, Bain is a metaphor for what went wrong in Wall Street. Good money is placed in good investments which yield well, but there is a thirst for more. After the good investments are gone, the bubble is pumped on the bad ones. Somehow, those who make the decisions to do this never seem to suffer badly, though. What does Richard Fuld earn while killing Lehman and helping to bring down the economy? $22,000,000. His net worth after his company's "tragic" ending: 9 figures. When it loans money to start a Staples Bain makes good money. When it loads a company with debt until it dies, it makes even more.
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