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02-08-2012, 10:10 AM   #1
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What are Priorities USA's priorities, whose interests are they looking out for?

I suppose now is a good time to reflect upon who has benefited from Obama's reign.

Wall street..
Unions...
Health Insurance Companies...
Pharma...
People rich enough to buy new cars...
People rich enough to buy houses...

Who will stand to benefit from a potential second term of a president whose only "gets better as time goes on."

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Somehow you seem to think that Obama's so horrid failing to get as much done to fix Bush's messes fast enough ....while the Republicans and corporations have been stonewalling at every turn, not *allowing* things to benefit the people if the corporations don't get a still bigger cut... While they depress local economies further demanding cuts to things that *do* benefit people and local economies, including by trying to make things much harder on various minorities and women...

....Means there's no such thing as *time,* (notably lagging indicators?) As in things *take* time, especially when most of the corporations took their money and concessions and then said, 'We're not going to create jobs after all, until you give us more money and surrender more rights, people...'

One minute you're screaming he's a 'socialist wealth confiscator (and still are) ...the next you're blaming him for not being 'Lefty' enough, in the face of your own party's obstructions, and the big money's non-cooperation.

Yeah, yeah. We've seen this pattern before. Dem comes in to bail us out of your messes, the GOP tries to get elected in time to take the credit.


The fact that the ultra-wealthy are doing fine isn't exactly Obama's doing. The stratification and corporate control over us without accountability is in fact the very * problem.* They're the ones who really made this mess. And all the GOP's got to offer about it is yet more intolerance and other forms of right wing corporate radicalism. They're the ones *demanding* more and worse of the same, they just have been denying what their policies *do* and trying to blame Obama for the results not being fixed yet.

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"Benefit" is a relative term here. Working on Wall St I suppose the fact that there still are Wall St banks around is a benefit, and that they employ anyone is a benefit. But apart from the life support system, it's not so good.
Unions, I'm not sure unions are exactly expanding or seeing a golden age.

Who else has benefitted in this reduced manner? Municipal and state employees: teachers, cops, firemen who haven't been laid off. Anyone whose holding onto a job has anything to do with the stimulus: through working on a govt contract or supporting those with govt contracts. The veterans have done better.

Who has benefitted the most? The right wing media, its consultants and organizers, and the vehement right wing politicians. They now own the Republican party, on the back of Obama hating.
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So are the customers at the Apple Store buying 350,000 iPhones a day along with iPads etc all from Mars ? Is it only rich people buying Chevy, Ford and Dodge cars and trucks ? Would John McCain with brain dead Palin have done a better job ? The HORROR !!!!!



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Are you suggesting that no one should benefit during a 4 year term? Or that these are the only ones that did?

I suppose that any incoming president starting their term during a recession should perhaps ask the question of is it ok for some people to do OK or should he make sure that no one does. Did extending the unemployment insurance benefits assist wall street or the health insurance companies? Did making insurance available for millions more only help the insurance industry or did those who now have insurance benefit? The gays in the military who can now be honest, or those who are coming home do they not count in your question?

And even more importantly who in addition to those in your list win during Bush and who would under Paul? As far as unions go how did they win with all the union bashing in the states and the auto industry taking cuts or is it simply that they survived that is bad? How rich do you have to be to buy a new car? Any young person with a decent job can buy one or at least lease one quite easy regardless of who is in power.

Many economist have stated that the US was on the verge of a depression and also in 2008 or 2009 that it would take 7 to 10 years to recover from a big recession. What would Ron Paul have done other than cut taxes for you? And that does not work. IF it did than the Bush tax cuts and their extensions would have meant no recession
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I was going to add that perhaps all you did was list those who you either did not like or are easy targets
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikemike Quote
What are Priorities USA's priorities, whose interests are they looking out for?

I suppose now is a good time to reflect upon who has benefited from Obama's reign.

Wall street..
Unions...
Health Insurance Companies...
Pharma...
People rich enough to buy new cars...
People rich enough to buy houses...

Who will stand to benefit from a potential second term of a president whose only "gets better as time goes on."
A few others who benefitted from the first term:

Tens of millions of people who couldn't otherwise get insurance
88 million people who will receive better preventive care
People making middle class incomes
People who had exhausted unemployment benefits
People who deal with banks
2.6 million people who didn't have jobs
1.4 million People who work in automobile manufacture, sales, transportation, parts, etc.
People who own small businesses (who received 17 tax cuts)
People who pay FICA taxes
People who use debit cards
People who breathe
Troops in Iraq
People who might suffer from nuclear weapons stored in Russia
Veterans who want an education
Community colleges
9.4 million College students
Women who work


Who did not benefit:
Al Qaeda


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02-09-2012, 12:53 AM   #8
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QuoteOriginally posted by GeneV Quote
A few others who benefitted from the first term:

Tens of millions of people who couldn't otherwise get insurance
88 million people who will receive better preventive care
People making middle class incomes
People who had exhausted unemployment benefits
People who deal with banks
2.6 million people who didn't have jobs
1.4 million People who work in automobile manufacture, sales, transportation, parts, etc.
People who own small businesses (who received 17 tax cuts)
People who pay FICA taxes
People who use debit cards
People who breathe
Troops in Iraq
People who might suffer from nuclear weapons stored in Russia
Veterans who want an education
Community colleges
9.4 million College students
Women who work


Who did not benefit
Al Qaeda

Post of the year.

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02-09-2012, 06:33 AM   #9
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In my estimation, Obama has done a fine job with the economy. Large disturbances, like the one we experienced in 2008 take a long time to recover from. The economy of the United States has been slowly, but steadily growing, and I think that is all that you can ask for. Obama (and his administration) successively implemented the bailout of the banks and and auto companies. They have recovered a majority of that bailout money (so low expense for the tax payers). The one thing Obama was not able to do was create a long term plan of fiscal responsibility (however, I think congress is largely responsible for this. Obama supported many common sense ideas).

Obama's foreign policy has been mediocre in my opinion. I am glad that he was successful in capturing Osama Bin Laden and has been trying to increase support of the middle east as a whole. However, I wish he would have voted to recognize Palestine as a country in the UN, and I think the way they are handling Iran will result in an escalation of that situation. However, the tough sanctions may have been necessary to prevent Israel from going to war against Iran (in which case I support them, I suppose). I am happy Obama got us out of Iraq (I think this was successfully accomplished), and I am glad he set a timetable for getting out of Afghanistan. Although I wish the time had been sooner, since I do not think we can win there (I read a New York article a bit ago talking about how a large portion of the Afghanistan people have no idea why we are there). Lastly, I think we have yet to see the effect of Obama's support of the revolutions in the middle east.

I think Obama has done an ok job on social issues, given the current political climate. He has managed to keep important unemployment insurance, repeal don't ask don't tell, and pass new healthcare legislation (which I do not think is perfect by any means, but it is a giant step in the right direction)

What I think Obama has failed on is selling his plans and getting congress to agree with them. I believe Obama thought republicans in congress would at least take a semi-rational stance, and support legislation similar to ideas republicans had previously supported (like the healthcare bill, or balancing the budget). I also think Obama thought that America really wanted change. But when he tried to implement change, a lot of Americans turned against him (or at least it seemed that way). I do not think Obama bears full responsibility for this, though. I think a lot of the blame resides in congress, as they were completely unwilling to compromise (The republicans seemed to want Obama to compromise to the point that the Republicans got exactly what they wanted).

Overall, I think I would like to see Obama have one more term. He has his faults, but he also has a lot of strengths. He may not have gotten everything done that he set out to, but he has faced a very tough economic and political time.
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QuoteOriginally posted by GeneV Quote
Tens of millions of people who couldn't WOULDN'T otherwise get insurance
88 million people who will receive better preventive care (if there are enough doctors to actually see them and take time with them)
People making middle class incomes (will receive a fraction of the benefits people making aristocratic incomes, until the bill comes due for the debt those tax cuts added)
People who had exhausted unemployment benefits
People who deal with banks (you mean people who can't balance their checkbook)
2.6 million of the 15 million people who didn't have jobs
1.4 million People who work in automobile manufacture, sales, transportation, parts, etc. (AKA Unions)
People who own small businesses (who received 17 tax cuts)
People who pay FICA taxes (until the end of this month this was a move where they traded dollars for 5%ers to give pennies to 95%ers)
People who use debit cards
People who breathe
Troops in Iraq
People who might suffer from nuclear weapons stored in Russia
Veterans who want an education
Community colleges
9.4 million College students (how is crushing debt and a non-existant job market good for college students?)
Women who work
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The gays in the military who can now be honest, or those who are coming home do they not count in your question?
This was precipitated by a victorious lawsuit by a gay republican group. Democrats didn't want to rock this boat but their hand was forced so they did their best to seize credit for something that was going to happen anyway.

QuoteOriginally posted by redrockcoulee Quote
Are you suggesting that no one should benefit during a 4 year term? Or that these are the only ones that did?
I'm suggesting that a the Priorities USA Super PAC will be a way for these groups to grease the palms of government for the next year and potential next term.

QuoteOriginally posted by redrockcoulee Quote
As far as unions go how did they win with all the union bashing in the states and the auto industry taking cuts or is it simply that they survived that is bad? How rich do you have to be to buy a new car?
Most of the bailout and stimulus money went towards union dominated fields like teaching, state governments, big construction projects, auto industry. They have made protectionist moves on tires, steel fasteners, and others to benefit american unions. The NLRB tried to obstruct a $750 million boeing plant because it was being built in a right to work state. The state level fights were just an unfortunate blow back for the unions from Obama's unpopularity after a couple years in office.
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The bit about "wouldn't" get insurance was extracted from the nether regions of the body, and carping because some of the employed might actually have good union jobs is petty. I suppose some prefer sending more to the barracks of unregulated Chinese factories?

There is more work to be done on the employment field, but 2011 was the best year for employment growth since the 2005 RE bubble.

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I strongly disagree that the anti union bills are a blow back to Obama and the stimulus plans that aided industries, many of which do have union workers within them. There was a bigger in proportion stimulus package in Canada and no right to work legislation proposed that I know of. Teachers cannot collective bargain in Wisconsin because some auto worker still has a job in Michigan or Windsor? MSNBC believes that the anti union bills has more to do with doing away with the major source of funding to Democrats than any other thing and to let large corporations rule .

When you say wouldn't instead of couldn't get insurance do you mean they were too cheap to or they were not able to? From my understanding many people are refused insurance if they have a pre existing condition so they have no opportunity.

Obama is a big failure in that he was not able to stop a full blown recession and create jobs for all those who lost their jobs because of it plus those who were entering the job market without spending any taxpayers money plus cut spending during this period of time to pay for the deflicits created during better economic times. Or yes and also provided affordable health care again with no money and no laws regulating insurance companies. And have Replicans support all these efforts as well. Yes he had majorities but not a Senate super majority.

Now I have to go back to the real world as my break is over
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