Originally posted by mikemike As to the subject of whether or not waiting tables is a "real job" I would say it depends on the restaurant. Waiting tables is one of the jobs where someone can make a wage which supports a healthy young single person (high school through new college grad) can earn a living wage which support themselves or pay their way through college. But if someone is getting into their late 20s and they are still waiting tables at Applebee's or comparable they do not have a real job. I don't know where this place falls in the totem pole of restaurants in newport beach, but a waiting job at a nicer place here you can easily earn a middle class income around $50,000 with health care, 401k, and time off. Any job where a walk-in who is still in high school with zero experience could be your next co-worker or replacement is not "a real job" in my book.
Mikemike, you're just repeating the contempt by judging people over what they do for a living at a given age, though, that's just ridiculous in a time when people with masters' degrees are having to wait tables and the like cause they can't get jobs in this market, and lots of *underemployed* people are working two and three of those jobs to try and keep a home.
There are a lot of our underpaid *teachers* waiting tables or tending bar, just to stay afloat (That's been the case for a long time: half my teachers in high school tended bar after hours) ...working parents, unpaid interns, (doing 'real jobs' for no pay) etc, etc.
The cost of living in a place where you can be tending high end bar are often inflated by those people who claim millions of dollars a year 'isn't that much,' ...certainly some places are more cash-poor than others, (Actually a decent place for the likes of *me* to be, those, in a way: a fixed income goes a little further, though it isn't quite enough to make ends meet alone, as I keep finding. and I live in a basement in a low-rent neighborhood. And my sweetie and I paid a good deal *extra* to set me up down here cause rents this low are *rare* even in this area. I've got friends online having trouble finding a place at even three times the rent, because the foreclosure crisis that leaves all those empty homes has meant the *rental* market is inflating even *more* than it had been. )
And one problem in places where they *don't* mostly serve the rich, is that people work longer and more hours across a lot of those jobs because the *customers* aren't going out as much or buying as much or as expensive of things when they do. Never mind pulling in fifty grand.
You may have an expectation, 'Oh, they're doing all right,' (With maybe some best-case ideas of the figures involved) and then feel entitled to judge people over what they're doing to live. But you don't even *know.* You might feel like you're being a big spender during the rush, but spread that out over a whole working day, and see how it really works out hourly.
Even in this town, rent closer to downtown would be approaching what I used to associate with a little above the floor in Boston. I'd be pretty thrilled to be up to a job like that, myself, (Since I've barely been able to move for a couple of weeks, it gives me pain just to think of it,) ...But you don't know people's circumstances. If I became healthy this instant, I wouldn't know where to scratch up the wardrobe and haircut even for places I might frequent if I were doing a little better. And you'd be right to complain about the service you got, It's exceptionally hard for me to do basic calculations these days, never mind remember what orders someone might rattle off. Even if I did everything perfectly, it's *still* legal to fire me just cause of who I am in this state.
Saying, 'Well, I can stiff the waitstaff cause I think they're too good for this, starving them out will 'incentivize' them to get a better job, rather than make it harder for them to do anything,' ...is just the same kind of greed and sense of entitlement that people are angry at the 1 percent about.
Cause if you *didn't* have particularly bright and experienced waitstaff, you'd be calling them 'idiots' and using *that* as an excuse to stiff them, too.