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02-27-2012, 08:38 PM   #61
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$49,445 is the median for a household in the U.S. Median household income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Competing Wikipedia stats, apparently...

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Competing Wikipedia stats, apparently...
Census says the same thing. $49,445 as of 2010. http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-239.pdf
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These responses are going the extreme other way -- no one can ever be criticized now? Plenty of people are in crappy jobs because they haven't made an effort to get a better one, improve their skill set, etc etc. Is it unreasonable to expect a little gumption out of an intelligent adult?
apparently 1/2 the country hates their job........

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Fewer than half of U.S. workers are satisfied with their jobs, the lowest level since record-keeping began 22 years ago, said a report released Tuesday.
The Conference Board's survey polled 5,000 households, and found that only 45% were satisfied in their jobs. That's down from 61.1% in 1987, the first year the survey was conducted.

Even though one in 10 Americans is out of a job, those who are employed are increasingly dissatisfied.
"Through both economic boom and bust during the past two decades, our job satisfaction numbers have shown a consistent downward trend," said Lynn Franco, director of the Consumer Research Center of The Conference Board, in a prepared statement.
"[That] could spell trouble for the overall engagement of U.S. employees and ultimately employee productivity," she added.
just not enough "gumption" eh........

U.S. job satisfaction falls to lowest level in 22 years - Jan. 5, 2010
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The drop in satisfaction over the past 22 years spans various aspects of employee life, including interest in work (down 18.9 percentage points) and job security (down 17.5 percentage points).
And employee satisfaction dipped across the board; workers in every age group and income levels showed a drop, but workers younger than 25 were the most unhappy in their jobs.
Almost one-quarter of respondents said they didn't expect to be at their current jobs within a year.
Of course sometimes it's just not about money.......or is it

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Here’s a rundown of the top twelve House GOP votes against the 99 Percent.

Repealed health coverage for 32 MILLION Americans and countless new benefits and protections for all Americans (January 19, 2011).
Blocked new essential health benefits that must be covered by insurance companies (including things like contraception), putting Americans back at the mercy of the insurance companies (February 19, 2011).
Ended Medicare and gutted Medicaid in order to pay for more tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations (April 15, 2011).
Blocked a new database for consumer product safety information, making it more difficult for consumers to find out information about dangerous or unsafe products (February 19, 2011).
Blocked the Treasury Department from helping more homeowners avoid foreclosure under the Home Affordable Modification Program by terminating the program and providing no replacement (March 29,2011).
FOUR votes to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from protecting our clean air and clean water, essentially bailing out big polluters at the expense of the rest of us (April 7, July 13, and October 5 and 13, 2011).
Guaranteed 700,000 jobs would be killed and slashed programs for the 99 Percent, including Medicare and Social Security via the Tea Party-inspired Cut, Cap, and Balance plan (July 19, 2011).
Encouraged more economy-collapsing financial fraud by attempting to gut the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (July 21, 2011).
Put corporations above the law by allowing them to ignore 76 year-old protections for workers and labor unions (September 15, 2011).
Launched mean-spirited attacks and cuts in benefits directed at millions of unemployed Americans (December 11, 2011).

IN ONE SENTENCE: House Republicans rarely miss an opportunity to put special interests ahead of the interests of the 99 Percent.

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Progress Reports - ThinkProgress
Here’s a rundown of the top twelve House GOP votes against the 99 Percent.

Repealed health coverage for 32 MILLION Americans and countless new benefits and protections for all Americans (January 19, 2011).
Blocked new essential health benefits that must be covered by insurance companies (including things like contraception), putting Americans back at the mercy of the insurance companies (February 19, 2011).
Ended Medicare and gutted Medicaid in order to pay for more tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations (April 15, 2011).
Blocked a new database for consumer product safety information, making it more difficult for consumers to find out information about dangerous or unsafe products (February 19, 2011).
Blocked the Treasury Department from helping more homeowners avoid foreclosure under the Home Affordable Modification Program by terminating the program and providing no replacement (March 29,2011).
FOUR votes to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from protecting our clean air and clean water, essentially bailing out big polluters at the expense of the rest of us (April 7, July 13, and October 5 and 13, 2011).
Guaranteed 700,000 jobs would be killed and slashed programs for the 99 Percent, including Medicare and Social Security via the Tea Party-inspired Cut, Cap, and Balance plan (July 19, 2011).
Encouraged more economy-collapsing financial fraud by attempting to gut the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (July 21, 2011).
Put corporations above the law by allowing them to ignore 76 year-old protections for workers and labor unions (September 15, 2011).
Launched mean-spirited attacks and cuts in benefits directed at millions of unemployed Americans (December 11, 2011).

IN ONE SENTENCE: House Republicans rarely miss an opportunity to put special interests ahead of the interests of the 99 Percent.
It's hard to believe those people actually get voted into office.

The conservatives here in OZ try to undermine things like that here at every opportunity. Unfortunately the great unwashed think they're right in many cases. We avoided the GFC and because most of the people missed the pain they think there was actually nothing wrong anyway. So instead of saying thanks they abuse the current government and accuse them of irresponsible spending. The right wing media agenda keeps the ignorant dumbed down to a convenient level at all times. It's hard to believe that the USA can spend trillions on bailing outy crooked bankers, wall street leeches and wars and yet fail to protect it's citizens re' health and education.
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It's hard to believe those people actually get voted into office.

The conservatives here in OZ try to undermine things like that here at every opportunity. Unfortunately the great unwashed think they're right in many cases. We avoided the GFC and because most of the people missed the pain they think there was actually nothing wrong anyway. So instead of saying thanks they abuse the current government and accuse them of irresponsible spending. The right wing media agenda keeps the ignorant dumbed down to a convenient level at all times. It's hard to believe that the USA can spend trillions on bailing outy crooked bankers, wall street leeches and wars and yet fail to protect it's citizens re' health and education.

What he said. :ugh:
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From what I understand, the original story and the receipt in question were fake. But since this is a great hypothetical and topic for discussion, continue on folks.

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Daily Kos: The 1% more likely to lie, cheat, and steal. Science says so.

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A recent study published today in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences claims that the upper class is more likely lie, cheat, cut people off in traffic, and endorse unethical behavior in the workplace.

The findings are based on seven separate studies UC Berkely researchers conducted on the UC Berkeley campus, in the San Francisco Bay Area and nationwide.

Paul Piff, a doctoral student in psychology at UC Berkeley and lead author of the paper said, “The increased unethical tendencies of upper-class individuals are driven, in part, by their more favorable attitudes toward greed.”

Piff also said, “As these issues come to the fore, our research – and that by others – helps shed light on the role of inequality in shaping patterns of ethical conduct and selfish behavior, and points to certain ways in which these patterns might also be changed."
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From what I understand, the original story and the receipt in question were fake. But since this is a great hypothetical and topic for discussion, continue on folks.
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We’re glad to respond to the news stories about a tipping incident at True Food Kitchen in Newport Beach.

Our first concern upon learning about this situation was our staff. We are very fortunate to have employees that are talented, bright, and undoubtedly, some of the best in the business.

However, we would like to report that there is misinformation circulating about this situation. The dining receipt that was originally posted on the blog, Future Ex Banker, and then republished by various websites, was, in fact, altered and exaggerated. We’d also like to assure people that the receipt was not posted and altered by anyone on behalf of True Food Kitchen. We respect our guests’ privacy and take it very seriously; we would never share personal information.
Photo Purportedly Showing Banker's 1% Lunch Bill Tip 'Altered And Exaggerated' [UPDATED]

Hmmm.......... still leaves questions..
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Another hoax about the mythical miserly 1%.

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The restaurant told CBS2/KCAL9 that they have been receiving hundreds of phone calls and e-mails from people outraged over the reported story. They have confirmed that the receipt was changed and that the original receipt lists the meal as just over $30, with a 20 percent tip and no message aimed at the waitress.
Restaurant Calls Photo Of Banker’s 1 Percent Tip, ‘Get A Real Job’ Message A Hoax
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As I said in my first post on this thread, I had serious doubts about this story from the beginning. The source story was removed from the internet, and the story has the smell of a dozen urban legends you find debunked on Snopes.com. It did provoke an interesting discussion about the job of server in a restaurant, though.
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These responses are going the extreme other way -- no one can ever be criticized now? Plenty of people are in crappy jobs because they haven't made an effort to get a better one, improve their skill set, etc etc. Is it unreasonable to expect a little gumption out of an intelligent adult? If your adult son or daughter was working as a minimum wage cashier with no future potential and no other plans -- when you know full-well they could be doing much better -- wouldn't you tell them to get off their butts and get a "real job"? Almost no adult person that is not physically disabled (and even then) and has at least average intelligence is forced into keeping a dead-end job for very long. The vast majority of people choose their positions in life and society, one way or another...

I have to slightly agree with this, but mostly disagree. Yes, there are people that are under-performing. These are the people that are just screwing around for a few years until they find a better job. Then there are those who just have a hard time competing for these "good jobs."

For one of my friends has had a very tough time finding jobs. He is currently a 27 year old, working a minimum wage job,living at home, and saddled with student debt. He had gone to school for computer information systems (which includes programming). Unfortunately he is not very mathematically inclined, and washed out. He then went and finished an associates in business administration. He has been looking for jobs that use his degree for a couple years now, but has not found anything. He has also tried to think outside the box and look at different career option, and even going back to school (did not get accepted because of his previous record). On top of this, he does not interview very well for jobs. Though, he is a very hard worker. I don't know what to tell him to do. Telling him to work smarter/harder does not cut it. 20-30 years ago, he could have made a good living wage by working in a factory. Those opportunities are not available anymore.

Another friend graduated from one of the top universities in the country. She searched for a job that would pay a decent salary (at least 25,000 a year). She ended up settling for a minimum wage job (showing the competition in the job market). Eventually, she will go and get a graduate degree and hopefully be competitive in the job market, but I think this shows the challenges my generation faces in the job market (friend number 1 with low grades from an associates program is competing against somebody with a good GPA from a top university, for a minimum wage job). I can go on with many more examples.

The problem is that we have gotten rid of a lot of good, unskilled labor, career options. We tell everybody to go to college, but not everybody is suited for college. What is there for these people? What smart choices can they make to get a better job? Even the college educated job market (for many majors) is saturated (i.e. "your adult son or daughter was working as a minimum wage cashier"). Times have changed, and the opportunities for the unskilled portion of the workforce have disappeared. If you have answers to the questions presented in this post, please share them. I have many friends who would be interested.
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I have to slightly agree with this, but mostly disagree. Yes, there are people that are under-performing. These are the people that are just screwing around for a few years until they find a better job. Then there are those who just have a hard time competing for these "good jobs.".....
There are also people who fall into jobs which overpay for what they do. A while back, everything on Wall Street (in the symbolic rather than geographic sense) seemed to pay way more than a job at the same skill level anywhere else. That is one part of how the 99% and occupying Wall Street became connected.

We have lousy job market now, and that is felt across all education levels. However, the unemployment rate for applicants with some post-HS education (7.5%) and that for college grads (4.5%) is still significantly lower than for HS only (9.5%) and way better than for no HS diploma (15%). http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf Education is not a guarantee, but it helps the odds.
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Wall Street Bonus Withdrawal Means Trading Aspen for Coupons - Bloomberg

How can the ever get by on just $125,000 cash bonus in addition to their salary?

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“People who don’t have money don’t understand the stress,” said Alan Dlugash, a partner at accounting firm Marks Paneth & Shron LLP in New York who specializes in financial planning for the wealthy. “Could you imagine what it’s like to say I got three kids in private school, I have to think about pulling them out? How do you do that?”
No wonder rich people cheat so much. Pubilc school? The Horror....The Horror...
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Wall Street Bonus Withdrawal Means Trading Aspen for Coupons - Bloomberg

How can the ever get by on just $125,000 cash bonus in addition to their salary?



No wonder rich people cheat so much. Pubilc school? The Horror....The Horror...
yea, us people really will never understand. does being rich really make you that ridiculous by default? is it something that just comes with money? sound like it came straight out of romney's mouth. :ugh:
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