Windows 8 Consumer Preview !

jogiba · 03-03-2012, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by ChrisPlatt

Wow, that was fast! What's wrong with Windows 7? What does 8 do that 7 doesn't?

I'm with Rupert - XP still works fine for my modest needs...

Chris

Do you think OS X and Linux stay with the same version longer than Windows ? Apple has had ten OS X versions since 2001 when Windows XP came out.

Quote:

Versions 5.1 Public Beta: "Kodiak"
5.2 Version 10.0: "Cheetah"
5.3 Version 10.1: "Puma"
5.4 Version 10.2: "Jaguar"
5.5 Version 10.3: "Panther"
5.6 Version 10.4: "Tiger"
5.7 Version 10.5: "Leopard"
5.8 Version 10.6: "Snow Leopard"
5.9 Version 10.7: "Lion"
5.10 Version 10.8: "Mountain Lion"

Mac OS X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ubuntu Linux has had 16 versions since Oct 20 2004 !'
Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

**rparmar** · 03-03-2012, 07:22 AM

Didn't take long for this to become another "Windows versus..." thread.

All I'll say is I hate giving any money to Microsoft and will never give money to Apple. But nonetheless, Win 8 is the biggest change in the UI paradigm since these GUIs were commercialised. Even though I am not the target market I think it is a smart step.

jogiba · 03-03-2012, 07:42 AM

I have two Macs and run Windows and Linux on my PC.

kswier · 03-03-2012, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Rupert

I'm falling further behind...but my XP works perfectly and hasn't crashed in three years. I know I will have to upgrade eventually, but I don't look forward to it, everything I have now works almost flawlessly. Mrs Rupert has W7 and I wouldn't trad my XP for a dozen W7's even if they came with a high end computer attached.
Regards!

In a similar situation. Though the video performance on my 7 year old laptop is pretty bad, which makes photoshop a bit slow (but it is livable). I think we have reached an age in the computer world, where computers are good enough. I can probably do 95%-99% of the things I want to on a 10 year old computer. If you are doing gaming or video editing, you probably have a different story to tell.

kenafein · 03-03-2012, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

Do you think OS X and Linux stay with the same version longer than Windows ? Apple has had ten OS X versions since 2001 when Windows XP came out.

Mac OS X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ubuntu Linux has had 16 versions since Oct 20 2004 !'
Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

You have to take into account Windows service packs. Many of the OS updates of OS X are small incremental changes, analogous to a Windows service pack. Windows charges more up front, but gives free updates. OS x is cheap, but you pay for each annual update.

jiandal · 03-05-2012, 08:29 AM

I'm currently using a Mac (moved from XP era) and have never tried Windows Vista/7 apart from the occasional use at Uni, but boy after looking at some of the preview videos etc I think Microsoft is finally on the right track. I wouldn't mind a little hybrid like docking PC like the Asus transformer if possible!

reeftool · 03-05-2012, 10:21 AM

I've been using Windows 7 for about 18 mos. and am pretty happy with it. The big drawback is that it won't network with anything except another Windows 7 computer so I couldn't share a printer with the XP tower. That one has pretty much been put out to pasture now and I purchased a Windows 7 laptop a few months ago. They play nicely together and it's quite handy to upload my photos while on a trip to the laptop and and be able to directly access them and edit them on my desktop. The potential is in place for a real kick ass product with Win8 if it's phones and tablets will integrate and read files easily. I have an Android phone and while it's convenient, it is buggy and a pain in the butt to use sometimes. I've held off on a tablet so far just for that reason. I think what all of us as photographers are looking for is to be able to run our editing software (Lightroom, Photoshop, etc) on our different devices. Not practical? Most phones have an HDMI port. Plug it into a monitor and go to work. The only roadblock will be whether software companies will support it across platforms. They would be crazy not to.

Patajac · 03-05-2012, 10:35 AM

Windows getting dumber once again.

**boriscleto** · 03-05-2012, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by kenafein

You have to take into account Windows service packs. Many of the OS updates of OS X are small incremental changes, analogous to a Windows service pack. Windows charges more up front, but gives free updates. OS x is cheap, but you pay for each annual update.

Only two OS X updates were anywhere close to a Windows service pack. 10.1 and 10.6. Updates to OS X have been nowhere near annual.

10.0 to 10.1 was less than a year and free.
10.1 to 10.2 was a year and a paid update. 10.2 was the first truly usable version, 10.0 and 10.1 were basically extended public betas.
10.2 to 10.3 was 14 months. This was the first upgrade that required me to upgrade my Mac. Beige G3 to B&W G3.
10.3 to 10.4 was 18 months.
10.4 to 10.5 was 30 months. Apple was transitioning from PPC to Intel.
10.5 to 10.6 was 22 months. This was the second upgrade that required me to upgrade my Mac. Dual G4 to Intel Mac mini.
10.6 to 10.7 was 23 months.

10.8 is the first update to come in at about a year since 10.3 and is the third to be more of a service pack. It is also the first version that will be called OS X instead of Mac OS X.

Just like most Window$ users, most Mac users only upgrade their OS when they buy a new computer or are forced to update to use new software.

HockeyDad · 03-05-2012, 11:36 AM

Well, the software we sell installs and runs just fine on Windows 8 but I guess I better get to work completely redesigning the interface for the sake of change and encourage customers to "upgrade" so that we can remain relevant.

P.S. Since most of you don't know me, that was meant to be sarcastic.

kenafein · 03-05-2012, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by reeftool

I've been using Windows 7 for about 18 mos. and am pretty happy with it. The big drawback is that it won't network with anything except another Windows 7 computer so I couldn't share a printer with the XP tower. That one has pretty much been put out to pasture now and I purchased a Windows 7 laptop a few months ago. They play nicely together and it's quite handy to upload my photos while on a trip to the laptop and and be able to directly access them and edit them on my desktop. The potential is in place for a real kick ass product with Win8 if it's phones and tablets will integrate and read files easily. I have an Android phone and while it's convenient, it is buggy and a pain in the butt to use sometimes. I've held off on a tablet so far just for that reason. I think what all of us as photographers are looking for is to be able to run our editing software (Lightroom, Photoshop, etc) on our different devices. Not practical? Most phones have an HDMI port. Plug it into a monitor and go to work. The only roadblock will be whether software companies will support it across platforms. They would be crazy not to.

Yeah the Windows HomeGroup feature works pretty nicely between Windows 7 machines, but it does cause a problem with non-7 machines. Share Files and Printers between Windows 7 and XP - How-To Geek You just have to do your networking outside of the homegroup for those machines.

jogiba · 03-05-2012, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by Patajac

Windows getting dumber once again.

Explain exactly how it's getting dumber ? Have you used it at all ?

8 Is Enough: Up and Running on the Consumer Preview

**RKKS08** · 03-05-2012, 01:48 PM

@jogiba:

Quote:

"Ubuntu Linux has had 16 versions since Oct 20 2004 !"

If you compare it this way, you should also count every MS-Windows service pack as a separate version.

If you don't, please look only at the Ubuntu LTS versions, which are kept stable enough for commercial use.
The ordinary versions are counting up whenever support for some small piece of hardware is moving from an application to the kernel, which could happen several times a year. Once installed, there often is no difference in handling and behaviour; the distributors may add some cosmetic changes, so the average user thinks it is all new.

I am still using XP (and Ubuntu with dual boot, and several other systems in virtual machines) on all my computers.
I prefer XP to W7 because it is MUCH more open to twists and hacks which sometimes are just needed in software development. Also, a big part of the higher rated security of W7 is due to reducing the freedom of the user (to use the OS the way he likes it). If I switch off these settings, the security of W7 falls back behind XP.

The GUI of W8 is meant specially for touch screens. There are rumours there will be another follower for W7 not far away, which marries the functions of W7 and W8, and will be the true follower of W7.

EDIT:
It also seems the follower will not support the ancient BIOS any more, so it will not run on older computers. And in co-operation with Intel/AMD, there were plans to improve security by special routines in the BIOS successor, which (as an additional effect) would prevent open source operating systems to run in multi boot environments. I am not sure whether they really try to make this true, it could trigger a response of the European Union to stop sales of this system in Europe.

jogiba · 03-05-2012, 03:10 PM

The bottom line is Windows, OS X and Linux are being updated on almost a daily basis and I was replying to someone who questioned the need for another Windows OS.

jogiba · 03-05-2012, 03:15 PM

Quote:

It also seems the follower will not support the ancient BIOS any more, so it will not run on older computers. And in co-operation with Intel/AMD, there were plans to improve security by special routines in the BIOS successor, which (as an additional effect) would prevent open source operating systems to run in multi boot environments. I am not sure whether they really try to make this true, it could trigger a response of the European Union to stop sales of this system in Europe.

So the European Union wants technology advances to stop dead in it's tracks ? Nice.

03-05-2012, 11:17 AM	#24
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,476	Originally posted by kenafein You have to take into account Windows service packs. Many of the OS updates of OS X are small incremental changes, analogous to a Windows service pack. Windows charges more up front, but gives free updates. OS x is cheap, but you pay for each annual update. Only two OS X updates were anywhere close to a Windows service pack. 10.1 and 10.6. Updates to OS X have been nowhere near annual. 10.0 to 10.1 was less than a year and free. 10.1 to 10.2 was a year and a paid update. 10.2 was the first truly usable version, 10.0 and 10.1 were basically extended public betas. 10.2 to 10.3 was 14 months. This was the first upgrade that required me to upgrade my Mac. Beige G3 to B&W G3. 10.3 to 10.4 was 18 months. 10.4 to 10.5 was 30 months. Apple was transitioning from PPC to Intel. 10.5 to 10.6 was 22 months. This was the second upgrade that required me to upgrade my Mac. Dual G4 to Intel Mac mini. 10.6 to 10.7 was 23 months. 10.8 is the first update to come in at about a year since 10.3 and is the third to be more of a service pack. It is also the first version that will be called OS X instead of Mac OS X. Just like most Window$ users, most Mac users only upgrade their OS when they buy a new computer or are forced to update to use new software. Last edited by boriscleto; 03-05-2012 at 11:26 AM.

03-05-2012, 01:48 PM	#28
RKKS08 Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Frankfurt am Main Posts: 1,241	@jogiba: Quote: "Ubuntu Linux has had 16 versions since Oct 20 2004 !" If you compare it this way, you should also count every MS-Windows service pack as a separate version. If you don't, please look only at the Ubuntu LTS versions, which are kept stable enough for commercial use. The ordinary versions are counting up whenever support for some small piece of hardware is moving from an application to the kernel, which could happen several times a year. Once installed, there often is no difference in handling and behaviour; the distributors may add some cosmetic changes, so the average user thinks it is all new. I am still using XP (and Ubuntu with dual boot, and several other systems in virtual machines) on all my computers. I prefer XP to W7 because it is MUCH more open to twists and hacks which sometimes are just needed in software development. Also, a big part of the higher rated security of W7 is due to reducing the freedom of the user (to use the OS the way he likes it). If I switch off these settings, the security of W7 falls back behind XP. The GUI of W8 is meant specially for touch screens. There are rumours there will be another follower for W7 not far away, which marries the functions of W7 and W8, and will be the true follower of W7. EDIT: It also seems the follower will not support the ancient BIOS any more, so it will not run on older computers. And in co-operation with Intel/AMD, there were plans to improve security by special routines in the BIOS successor, which (as an additional effect) would prevent open source operating systems to run in multi boot environments. I am not sure whether they really try to make this true, it could trigger a response of the European Union to stop sales of this system in Europe. Last edited by RKKS08; 03-05-2012 at 02:06 PM.

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03-03-2012, 06:23 AM	#16
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491 Original Poster	Originally posted by ChrisPlatt Wow, that was fast! What's wrong with Windows 7? What does 8 do that 7 doesn't? I'm with Rupert - XP still works fine for my modest needs... Chris Do you think OS X and Linux stay with the same version longer than Windows ? Apple has had ten OS X versions since 2001 when Windows XP came out. Quote: Versions 5.1 Public Beta: "Kodiak" 5.2 Version 10.0: "Cheetah" 5.3 Version 10.1: "Puma" 5.4 Version 10.2: "Jaguar" 5.5 Version 10.3: "Panther" 5.6 Version 10.4: "Tiger" 5.7 Version 10.5: "Leopard" 5.8 Version 10.6: "Snow Leopard" 5.9 Version 10.7: "Lion" 5.10 Version 10.8: "Mountain Lion" Mac OS X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Ubuntu Linux has had 16 versions since Oct 20 2004 !' Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

03-03-2012, 07:22 AM	#17
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,823	Didn't take long for this to become another "Windows versus..." thread. All I'll say is I hate giving any money to Microsoft and will never give money to Apple. But nonetheless, Win 8 is the biggest change in the UI paradigm since these GUIs were commercialised. Even though I am not the target market I think it is a smart step.

03-03-2012, 07:42 AM	#18
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491 Original Poster	I have two Macs and run Windows and Linux on my PC.

03-03-2012, 07:57 AM	#19
kswier Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 426	Originally posted by Rupert I'm falling further behind...but my XP works perfectly and hasn't crashed in three years. I know I will have to upgrade eventually, but I don't look forward to it, everything I have now works almost flawlessly. Mrs Rupert has W7 and I wouldn't trad my XP for a dozen W7's even if they came with a high end computer attached. Regards! In a similar situation. Though the video performance on my 7 year old laptop is pretty bad, which makes photoshop a bit slow (but it is livable). I think we have reached an age in the computer world, where computers are good enough. I can probably do 95%-99% of the things I want to on a 10 year old computer. If you are doing gaming or video editing, you probably have a different story to tell.

03-03-2012, 08:31 AM	#20
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	Originally posted by jogiba Do you think OS X and Linux stay with the same version longer than Windows ? Apple has had ten OS X versions since 2001 when Windows XP came out. Mac OS X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Ubuntu Linux has had 16 versions since Oct 20 2004 !' Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) You have to take into account Windows service packs. Many of the OS updates of OS X are small incremental changes, analogous to a Windows service pack. Windows charges more up front, but gives free updates. OS x is cheap, but you pay for each annual update.

03-05-2012, 08:29 AM	#21
jiandal New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 7	I'm currently using a Mac (moved from XP era) and have never tried Windows Vista/7 apart from the occasional use at Uni, but boy after looking at some of the preview videos etc I think Microsoft is finally on the right track. I wouldn't mind a little hybrid like docking PC like the Asus transformer if possible!

03-05-2012, 10:21 AM	#22
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,555	I've been using Windows 7 for about 18 mos. and am pretty happy with it. The big drawback is that it won't network with anything except another Windows 7 computer so I couldn't share a printer with the XP tower. That one has pretty much been put out to pasture now and I purchased a Windows 7 laptop a few months ago. They play nicely together and it's quite handy to upload my photos while on a trip to the laptop and and be able to directly access them and edit them on my desktop. The potential is in place for a real kick ass product with Win8 if it's phones and tablets will integrate and read files easily. I have an Android phone and while it's convenient, it is buggy and a pain in the butt to use sometimes. I've held off on a tablet so far just for that reason. I think what all of us as photographers are looking for is to be able to run our editing software (Lightroom, Photoshop, etc) on our different devices. Not practical? Most phones have an HDMI port. Plug it into a monitor and go to work. The only roadblock will be whether software companies will support it across platforms. They would be crazy not to.

03-05-2012, 10:35 AM	#23
Patajac Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 241	Windows getting dumber once again.

03-05-2012, 11:36 AM	#25
HockeyDad Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 482	Well, the software we sell installs and runs just fine on Windows 8 but I guess I better get to work completely redesigning the interface for the sake of change and encourage customers to "upgrade" so that we can remain relevant. P.S. Since most of you don't know me, that was meant to be sarcastic.

03-05-2012, 12:00 PM	#26
kenafein Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Southern California Photos: Albums Posts: 4,082	Originally posted by reeftool I've been using Windows 7 for about 18 mos. and am pretty happy with it. The big drawback is that it won't network with anything except another Windows 7 computer so I couldn't share a printer with the XP tower. That one has pretty much been put out to pasture now and I purchased a Windows 7 laptop a few months ago. They play nicely together and it's quite handy to upload my photos while on a trip to the laptop and and be able to directly access them and edit them on my desktop. The potential is in place for a real kick ass product with Win8 if it's phones and tablets will integrate and read files easily. I have an Android phone and while it's convenient, it is buggy and a pain in the butt to use sometimes. I've held off on a tablet so far just for that reason. I think what all of us as photographers are looking for is to be able to run our editing software (Lightroom, Photoshop, etc) on our different devices. Not practical? Most phones have an HDMI port. Plug it into a monitor and go to work. The only roadblock will be whether software companies will support it across platforms. They would be crazy not to. Yeah the Windows HomeGroup feature works pretty nicely between Windows 7 machines, but it does cause a problem with non-7 machines. Share Files and Printers between Windows 7 and XP - How-To Geek You just have to do your networking outside of the homegroup for those machines.

03-05-2012, 01:26 PM	#27
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491 Original Poster	Originally posted by Patajac Windows getting dumber once again. Explain exactly how it's getting dumber ? Have you used it at all ? 8 Is Enough: Up and Running on the Consumer Preview

03-05-2012, 03:10 PM	#29
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491 Original Poster	The bottom line is Windows, OS X and Linux are being updated on almost a daily basis and I was replying to someone who questioned the need for another Windows OS.

03-05-2012, 03:15 PM	#30
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491 Original Poster	Quote: It also seems the follower will not support the ancient BIOS any more, so it will not run on older computers. And in co-operation with Intel/AMD, there were plans to improve security by special routines in the BIOS successor, which (as an additional effect) would prevent open source operating systems to run in multi boot environments. I am not sure whether they really try to make this true, it could trigger a response of the European Union to stop sales of this system in Europe. So the European Union wants technology advances to stop dead in it's tracks ? Nice.