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03-05-2012, 11:01 AM   #16
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Yeah, batteries will be the issue down the road. They are expensive. Ask the manager of any warehouse that uses elec powered fork trucks. Also, batteries aren't very environmentally friendly. Put millions of elec. cars out on the road and we will have a pollution problem that may be more difficult to deal with than exhaust emissions. The Volt is expensive but with the rising prices of fuel, I think more people will look seriously at it. Any new technology needs to mature and the elec car is in it's infancy. It's the battery technology that really needs to be improved on. The elec car will become practical when batteries can become smaller, less hazardous, and charge quicker. This is only going to happen when elec cars are in use and there is an economic incentive in the marketplace for companies to put a little innovation and R&D into the product.

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QuoteOriginally posted by reeftool Quote
Yeah, batteries will be the issue down the road. They are expensive. Ask the manager of any warehouse that uses elec powered fork trucks. Also, batteries aren't very environmentally friendly. Put millions of elec. cars out on the road and we will have a pollution problem that may be more difficult to deal with than exhaust emissions.
Not necessarily, batteries are highly recyclable and for most battery types they can recycle over 95% of the materials so long as the batteries aren't tossed in the trash. Traditional lead acid batteries are almost all recycled since most people either get them changed at a store or bring it back to the store for disposal so they have one of the highest compliance rates for all recyclable materials. I think that bigger batteries like the ones being put into PHEVs or straight up EVs will see even higher compliance.
How Battery Recycling Works

At the size needed for transportation they have stationary uses once their ability to hold a charge has degraded to the point of providing an unacceptable range. So for example, if a volt's battery degrades to where it only holds charge for a 30 mile range the owner may decide to replace it but a battery that can still hold 12 KW/h would be useful to a utility seeking to be able to store electricity if they can stack a thousand of them up in a warehouse next door to to a nuclear power plant. Then at the end of the batteries useful life for a utility it can be sent to a recycling center.

There are markets for used batteries at this capacity so I don't think there will be a waste problem generated by switching to EVs.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikemike Quote
Not necessarily, batteries are highly recyclable and for most battery types they can recycle over 95% of the materials so long as the batteries aren't tossed in the trash. Traditional lead acid batteries are almost all recycled since most people either get them changed at a store or bring it back to the store for disposal so they have one of the highest compliance rates for all recyclable materials. I think that bigger batteries like the ones being put into PHEVs or straight up EVs will see even higher compliance.
How Battery Recycling Works

At the size needed for transportation they have stationary uses once their ability to hold a charge has degraded to the point of providing an unacceptable range. So for example, if a volt's battery degrades to where it only holds charge for a 30 mile range the owner may decide to replace it but a battery that can still hold 12 KW/h would be useful to a utility seeking to be able to store electricity if they can stack a thousand of them up in a warehouse next door to to a nuclear power plant. Then at the end of the batteries useful life for a utility it can be sent to a recycling center.

There are markets for used batteries at this capacity so I don't think there will be a waste problem generated by switching to EVs.
Yes, and large batteries have been used and recycled for decades in industry. I remember one of my jobs working through college was as a forklift driver in the '70s. The forklifts were used indoors and many were electric. The batteries would be taken out with a lift and refurbished from time to time. This technology has been around a long time.

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after 100 yrs it seems impossible that we havn't come up with the new battery that would make the electric car viable.there were rumors that a company had invented a light weight,long lasting battery yrs ago, but someone bought it and put it in mothballs,for a better time.i'll bet that when they do come out with that car that fits our life style,the battery will have been invented in the 80s or 90s.
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A battery swap system at fuel stations (exchange your battery for a fully charged one) would work if the industry could standardise the battery packs. Of course we need cheap clean electricity before this is worth bothering with.

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QuoteOriginally posted by bull drinkwater Quote
after 100 yrs it seems impossible that we havn't come up with the new battery that would make the electric car viable.there were rumors that a company had invented a light weight,long lasting battery yrs ago, but someone bought it and put it in mothballs,for a better time.i'll bet that when they do come out with that car that fits our life style,the battery will have been invented in the 80s or 90s.
Yeah, same urban legend existed about a carburetor that got 487,000 miles to the gallon back in the 70s. Patents don't last forever. 17 or 20 years, depending on when they were applied for or granted. If it existed, someone would be making it. Even if your super battery existed, either the patent would have expired by now, or at very least the current technology would have outpaced it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
Yeah, same urban legend existed about a carburetor that got 487,000 miles to the gallon back in the 70s. Patents don't last forever. 17 or 20 years, depending on when they were applied for or granted. If it existed, someone would be making it. Even if your super battery existed, either the patent would have expired by now, or at very least the current technology would have outpaced it.
who saidit was patented.
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Yeah, same urban legend existed about a carburetor that got 487,000 miles to the gallon back in the 70s.
That was from the 70s tea party. Today they are even dumber.
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That was from the 70s tea party. Today they are even dumber.
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