Originally posted by GibbyTheMole And he's 100% right. It's no one else's business who anyone marries / lives with / shags whom, as far as consenting adults are concerned.
Sounds right to me too...
Here is just one example of how wrong the religious right is... even when it comes to their own doctrinal sources... The House of Rep's Armed Services Committee has naturally (considering the Republican majority) backed measures in the upcoming defense budget that forbid same sex ceremonies of any kind from taking place on any military installation. This, unfortunately is in line with the continued existence of the so called Defense of Marriage Act, since the bases are under federal jurisdiction and the restrictions would apply regardless of the legallity of same sex marriage in the surrounding jurisdiction.
So where am I going with this?
House panel votes to ban same-sex marriages on US military bases | Fox News Quote: The committee, on a vote of 37-24, backed an amendment that barred same-sex marriages or "marriage-like" ceremonies on military installations. The panel also endorsed an Akin amendment that said the services should accommodate the rights of conscience of members of the services and chaplains who are morally or religiously opposed to expressions of human sexuality.
In an odd exchange, Rep. Loretta Sanchez, D-Calif., questioned what would happen if a service member literally interpreted the Old Testament's Leviticus, which considers homosexuality an abomination. Rep. Austin Scott, R-Ga., disputed her contention that was part of the Bible, saying it was the Old Testament.
Far as I know, Jesus never said word one against gays. In fact he said almost nothing about sex in general. Only a couple of passages written well after Jesus' time even refer to "sodomites" and in both the sodomites are listed as part of groups including adulterers, idolators, thieves, drunks, revelers, etc. Sodomites are given no special weight nor are they called out as particularly damned.
Regardless of this last point, the religious right (wrong) points to those passages as condemning homosexuality... And on their face, they are right. The dogma of most branches of Christianity accept these passages as canon so they can rightfully follow them. However, the religious right's primary argument against homosexuality is in the Old Testament, which despite what Rep Scott thinks, is generally accepted as part of "The Bible." Preachers, evangelistic modern Jesus loving Christian preachers, base countless sermons on it every Sunday and they use it to moralize all the time. Leviticus is a favored source which advocates stoning homosexuals to death (which is the literal interpretation that Rep Sanchez was getting at).
I would address Christian "cherry picking" condemnation of homosexuality while they blithely ignore the fact that according to Leviticus, 1st Corinthians and 1st Timothy, the robbers drunks and revelers are just as damned as sodomites but that point has been beaten to death and their hypocrisy on the subject is both well worn and galling.
No, my beef with Rep Scott is that his two faced dismissal of the OT and Leviticus as not being a viable religious reason for someone to abuse gay service members, is a shining example of his true agenda. He doesn't want 'religious" people to be able to object to homosexuality based on any of their myriad views. He wants "Christian" views to be preeminent and superior to all others. Remember, Jews use the Tanakh (the Torah and other writings many of which are in the Old Testament of the Christian Bible), not the Christian New Testament so a Jew has only the Torah on which to base any condemnation of homosexuality. Muslims have only the Abrahamic teachings as well as Mohammad's commands so they can't rely on Timothy or Corinthians either... Indian religions can't even use the OT...
Of course, I don't believe that any religious person has a right to abuse or attack anyone that does not share their particular views, regardless of whether the target of the abuse is gay, or Irish or Aboriginal or a Satanist. No one has a right to harm someone simply because they hold different views and operate under a different moral compass. Yet the religious right as well as certain other "conservative" (which to the person defining himself as one, means "like I think") religious groups insist the rest of us must adhere to their views and use their compass.
So to Rep Scott and his brethren, I say...Thank you for being concerned for my soul, but mind your own damn business and let me and my gay friends mind ours!
Letting 2 men or 2 women marry each other does not lessen or degrade a religious couple's vows and is no threat to their marriage. A gay man doesn't want to take your wife away from you Rep Scott. Nor does a gay woman want to take Mitt Romney away from his wife. They may want to take the other spouse away, but straight marriages face that risk even today . A fact which is well illustrated by current divorce rates (all attributable to straight marriages).
In the final analysis, the civil status of "Married" has certain legally recognized rights and privileges attached to it and it is these that the religious right and their homophobic sympathizers want a monopoly on. However, it's time that the civil act of marriage become available to all adult citizens, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation.
Mike