[Winder]

This guy is clueless - he doesn't go nearly far enough in his thinking. Deluded by bourgeois concepts, poor sod.

What exactly do you consider a bourgeois concept?
The Bourgeois were the middle class in France. Artists, artisans, blacksmiths, bankers, merchants, skilled craftsmen. They were the first class of property owners who were not nobility or clergy. Marx's classified anyone who accumulates material wealth as the Bourgeois, so anyone with LBA and a nice set of Limited lenses would be part of the Bourgeois. Luxury items like a 31mm LTD and a Silver K-5 are definitely cameras of the Bourgeois if we apply Marx's standards.

What exactly are the concepts of the Bourgeois?

[Nesster]

LOL, Winder - this guy considers "Artists, artisans, blacksmiths, bankers, merchants, skilled craftsmen" middle class drones, read the article.

In case it did not come through, my post was satire.


p.s.
“Sharpness is a bourgeoisie concept.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson

"There is nothing more useless than a sharp photograph of a fuzzy concept." - Ansel Adams

[jolepp]

What exactly do you consider a bourgeois concept?
The Bourgeois were the middle class in France. Artists, artisans, blacksmiths, bankers, merchants, skilled craftsmen. They were the first class of property owners who were not nobility or clergy. Marx's classified anyone who accumulates material wealth as the Bourgeois, so anyone with LBA and a nice set of Limited lenses would be part of the Bourgeois. Luxury items like a 31mm LTD and a Silver K-5 are definitely cameras of the Bourgeois if we apply Marx's standards.

What exactly are the concepts of the Bourgeois?

What exactly is the point and/or relevancy of this post?

[causey]

What exactly is the point and/or relevancy of this post?

I don't know, but the implied idea seems to be that names can only refer according to their original meaning. To which Aristotle would have said, "bourgeois can be said in more than one way."

[Wheatfield]

What exactly is the point and/or relevancy of this post?

To win an argument, you first have to define the terms of the argument the way you want them to be defined.

[Winder]

What exactly is the point and/or relevancy of this post?

Simply curious what bourgeois concepts are? What are they?

[kswier]

Luxury items like a 31mm LTD and a Silver K-5 are definitely cameras of the Bourgeois if we apply Marx's standards.

I have yet to join the Bourgeois. No 31mm LTD or Silver K-5 for me ... Would this make the Pentax 645D a camera of nobility?

[Winder]

I have yet to join the Bourgeois. No 31mm LTD or Silver K-5 for me ... Would this make the Pentax 645D a camera of nobility?

I like Leica would be more of a camera for nobility. The Pentax brand is too pedestrian for nobility. Pentax is definitely a brand for the bourgeois.

[selar]

Pentax is definitely a brand for the bourgeois.

More like a brand for the proletariat.

[jolepp]

Simply curious what bourgeois concepts are? What are they?

Feel free to discuss that in this new thread created for the purpose. (Original thread here).

[Nesster]

Let's make this a bit more interesting. How has the Ayn Rand crowd re-purposed the idea of bourgeois from its Marxist context, by way of post Romantic, early 20th century yearning to escape narrow materialist-economic conventions?

In this context Bourgeois concepts are narrow, conventional, and un-ambitious. The bourgeois businessman looks to wealth and the things money buys, but, for example, does not have the bold vision and creativity of someone in the Bain mold. The architect who puts up with the conventions and (invariably mediocre) taste and preference of his client is not Ayn's hero architect. Bourgeois is willing to be a millionaire... or to give his money to charity... whereas someone who transcends these limitations expresses human potential to the fullest: unimaginable wealth, increasing rapidly, passing through fields of corporations, opening them like flowers to release the sweet scent of realized investor returns...

[Winder]

More like a brand for the proletariat.

I don't think the proletariat could afford a DSLR like a K-5, much less the 645D. Pretty much all modern enthusiast level DSLRs are purchased by the Bourgeois.

[Winder]

Let's make this a bit more interesting. How has the Ayn Rand crowd re-purposed the idea of bourgeois from its Marxist context, by way of post Romantic, early 20th century yearning to escape narrow materialist-economic conventions?

In this context Bourgeois concepts are narrow, conventional, and un-ambitious. The bourgeois businessman looks to wealth and the things money buys, but, for example, does not have the bold vision and creativity of someone in the Bain mold. The architect who puts up with the conventions and (invariably mediocre) taste and preference of his client is not Ayn's hero architect. Bourgeois is willing to be a millionaire... or to give his money to charity... whereas someone who transcends these limitations expresses human potential to the fullest: unimaginable wealth, increasing rapidly, passing through fields of corporations, opening them like flowers to release the sweet scent of realized investor returns...

You could include the pre-Marxist view of the bourgeois as well. Marx and Rand represent two opposite ends of the spectrum. The original bourgeois were successful small business owners and rising middle-class members of society. Rand's work only existed because of the application of Marx's theory. Had Russia not spiraled down into socialism Rand would have never left Russia and probably never would have become a political philosopher. Her rather obscure philosophy of Objectivism would have never existed.

But the question is not what Rand or Marx though about the bourgeois. The question is: What are bourgeois concepts.

The modern context of bourgeois seems to be negative.

[wildman]

What exactly are the concepts of the Bourgeois?

Classic "Bourgeois" values:
narrow-mindedness, materialism, hypocrisy, and lack of culture (philistinism),

Remind you of any particular political party?

[Nesster]

Classic "Bourgeois" values:
narrow-mindedness, materialism, hypocrisy, and lack of culture (philistinism),

Remind you of any particular political party?

But the question is, when did these become 'classic'? There was a cultural reaction, driven by artists and philosophers, that defined it so, in order to escape to bohemianism and various other directions... this cultural 'revolution' in some ways is still on-going, but from a conventional perspective reached its pinnacle in the 1970s or so.

Nowadays I see the people influenced by Rand and the libertarian philosophy as holding that romantic, escapist position - in contrast to the bourgeois mainstream.