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I'll vote for any government policy that keeps your violence off our soil

Well lets see. Could anyone answer the following queston? How did Iraq bring any violence upon america?

Yet during the entire secord version of a war in Iraq we certainly brought the violence to them; and for what reason. So now most every person associates the united states of america with wanting to murder innocent people in the Middle East. It may or may not be true - but that is a widespread perception throughout the Middle East.

And while it costs americans how many millions for each and every jet fighter - that does not last long at all; it costs them next to nothing to effectively kill americans.

If you want to keep violence off of american shores then start having some type of actualy border around america. It reminds me on how america also discriminates against the people and country of Mexico. We must put up a wall to keep up the people of Mexico; yet there's a stretch between the Great Lakes and Washington state that is mostly unpartolled - even to this exact date/ Darn I could smuggle an aircraft carrier across that border.

Also; how do we keep anyone from attacking on american soil? Consider the foreign student population alone; over some one million - most of which are also not allies of america.

Plus there's the stats of out american military. Without technology; america would lose each and every time. america actually has a grave need for all of that technology and money.

[D0n]

Well lets see. Could anyone answer the following queston? How did Iraq bring any violence upon america?

been asked and answered.. you just won't accept the truth.. oil, currency and power... saddam was a puppet that bit the hand that fed him.
toppling iraq was to prevent saddam from solidifying his power in the middle east to broker deals, and start wars that would both destabilize the region, and affect oil supplies and world money markets. Doing this smaller war was to prevent a larger war later on. Undermining our economy, and attacking our allies (Kuwait for eg.) would most certainly have resulted in a bigger war eventually.

My grandmother would use the phrase "a stitch in time saves nine".

A world where economies trade on oil instead of gold or USA dollars would leave opec running the whole world while opec states rally the Muslim world to start world war three and calling it the final Caliphate.. if Islam is to have it's final global conquest and rule the world according to the sharia, as promised in the quran, it ain't gonna be this generation of freedom loving infidels that gets conquered.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Last_Judgment

Plus having the USA military in Iraq helped set the stage for successful invasions that followed... the whole nation building bs in trashcanistan was about keepin a military presence in the region to keep Iran and syria in check...otherwise it made no sense to stay in trashcanistan.

You won't accept the truth... World war three nearly happened.

[Wheatfield]

Now as soon as our government honours the original land treaties with the aboriginals and raises their standards of living up from third world standards, I think Canada could prove to be a shining example of how democracy, human rights, and gun control could be a role model to the Middle East.

Lets apply your reasoning regarding the Middle East to the Canadian Indian: We came here and found a race of Godless, mud worshiping, stone age savages. We tried to civilize said savages. We took their children and put them into schools in an attempt to educate them, we brought them modern medicine, religion and a higher level of civilization than what they would ever have reached.
In return, we have a race of people that have a higher tendency towards criminal activity, the children that we tried to educate roam our streets like packs of wild dogs, they breed like rabbits, they are habitual drug and alcohol abusers and they are a pox on our welfare and health care system.
As a group, they are unable to look after themselves, even after the White Man's best efforts to bring them education and civilization.
A white man can't walk through an Indian neighborhood without risking his life, and they hate White people simply because they are white.
How are they any different from the Muslims that you hate so much?

Do you think the Palestinians and Israeli's can kiss and make up the way Canada and Britain did? (we're like best friends now! see?: ). or is that whole "forgive and forget" thing something only Christians practice?

You aren't even on the same page as reality, what you should be asking, if you want to draw any sort of parallel, is can the Indians ever get over being conquered by a superior race and forgive and forget?

after world war two...there was memo that went around..... "war is over".. people in the middle east kept on killing.

Exept that the west never did stop fighting. Right after WWII, we kicked the Palestinians off their land by brute force, bulldozed their villages and settlements and installed an artificial state in the Middle East that was guaranteed to keep the region unstable.
Then not long after that, we overthrew the governments of Iran, then a while later we overthrew the government of Iraq, and have continued to keep the region destabilized.
Do you even know anything about history?

been asked and answered.. you just won't accept the truth.. oil, currency and power... saddam was a puppet that bit the hand that fed him.

Saddam was the result of the west meddling in Middle Eastern politics for the express purpose of keeping the region unstable.
You go on like as if we have the right to dictate who will be in charge of various countries in the Middle East, and then blame the people living in the region for our interference.
The lack of logic you show would be laughable, except it seems you actually believe what you write.

toppling iraq was to prevent saddam from solidifying his power in the middle east to broker deals, and start wars that would both destabilize the region, and affect oil supplies and world money markets. Doing this smaller war was to prevent a larger war later on. Undermining our economy, and attacking our allies (Kuwait for eg.) would most certainly have resulted in a bigger war eventually.

My grandmother would use the phrase "a stitch in time saves nine".

A world where economies trade on oil instead of gold or USA dollars would leave opec running the whole world while opec states rally the Muslim world to start world war three and calling it the final Caliphate.. if Islam is to have it's final global conquest and rule the world according to the sharia, as promised in the quran, it ain't gonna be this generation of freedom loving infidels that gets conquered.Islamic view of the Last Judgment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Plus having the USA military in Iraq helped set the stage for successful invasions that followed... the whole nation building bs in trashcanistan was about keepin a military presence in the region to keep Iran and syria in check...otherwise it made no sense to stay in trashcanistan.

You won't accept the truth... World war three nearly happened.

If WWIII nearly happened, it is because of the West's meddling in the Middle East, and for no other reason.

[D0n]

Lets apply your reasoning regarding the Middle East to the Canadian Indian: We came here and found a race of Godless, mud worshiping, stone age savages. We tried to civilize said savages. We took their children and put them into schools in an attempt to educate them, we brought them modern medicine, religion and a higher level of civilization than what they would ever have reached.
In return, we have a race of people that have a higher tendency towards criminal activity, the children that we tried to educate roam our streets like packs of wild dogs, they breed like rabbits, they are habitual drug and alcohol abusers and they are a pox on our welfare and health care system.
As a group, they are unable to look after themselves, even after the White Man's best efforts to bring them education and civilization.
A white man can't walk through an Indian neighborhood without risking his life, and they hate White people simply because they are white.
How are they any different from the Muslims that you hate so much?

Wow.

1) Aboriginals were not Godless. in fact their ability to switch to christianity was very easy to do considering the similarities between their existing beliefs in a Creator and the preaching of of God by early Christian settlers...

2) They nearly won the Indian wars. So close to losing the wars that the US and Canadian Governments signed treaties to stop the fighting. The usa drove the bison to near extinction in desperation to starve the Aboriginals into submission. Using bows and arrows and asymmetrical and warfare tactics that the USA STILL TO THIS DAY USES, The fighters renowned for such bravery and fierceness in battle, the USA still honours by naming weapons systems like comanche, apache, geronimo.. the only code never broken by the Nazi's in ww2 was was navajo.. The USA was on the brink of economic collapse from having entire battalions of troops being defeated by bands of dozens of Aboriginal warriors.

3) the reservation and residential school system was a genocide attempt to try and avoid honouring treaties..

4) what you don't see is more indian wars. no aboriginal suicide bombers, mass murders or militia. Minor conflicts most being settled in courts of law. many reservations in the USA and some in Canada are quite prosperous, but usually the ones where the treaties are being honoured is where the opportunities for self sufficiency and prosperity occur...

5) so every ignorant thing you said about aboriginals , is wrong, but they have made a hundred times more progress in the last twenty years than the Palestinians have since world war two, and they've done it with out resorting to terrorism. Racism exists, but by and large Aboriginals are on the receiving end of it, and they work through it peacefully. They honour their word in the treaties even though the other side did not. This is why they're making progress. Rapidly now, more than ever.

Again your hatred blinds you to the truth. Again your need to defend the indefensible obstructs you from seeing the solution. Aboriginals here in Canada do not deny the past, do try to right the wrongs, but above all else they take responsibility to fix the problems over seeking violence and revenge. Muslims from the middle east and even YOU could learn a lot from them. They are an incredible People.

[Wheatfield]

Again your hatred blinds you to the truth. Again your need to defend the indefensible obstructs you from seeing the solution. Aboriginals here in Canada do not deny the past, do try to right the wrongs, but above all else they take responsibility to fix the problems over seeking violence and revenge. Muslims from the middle east and even YOU could learn a lot from them. They are an incredible People.

I was merely applying your logic as an exercise in logic. No hatred involved at all. I suppose David Ahenekew would be a shining example of problem solving......
They are not an incredible people, they are merely people.
Just like the rest of us.

[D0n]

I was merely applying your logic as an exercise in logic. No hatred involved at all. I suppose David Ahenekew would be a shining example of problem solving......
They are not an incredible people, they are merely people.
Just like the rest of us.

we arrested him and tried him for those comments. (overkill really, the public outcry and loss of his position and order of canada medal was probably sufficient to get the point across that Canadians don't approve of anti semitism.)

two interesting points to to ponder..

one) he comes from saskatchewan where racism against aboriginals and poverty are amongst the worst in the world.
two) the israelis responded by sending aid to people starving on his reserve.

nobody got killed, and more importantly..people learned from it... NO VIOLENCE.

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If WWIII nearly happened

The real WWIII almost happened one some three occasions...


Kennedy was the only single items saving the united states from attempting to have a first strike option in Cuba. BTW such an attempt would have in no way been successful, because the local commanders did in fact have full authorization to launh there fully nuclear armed weapons if attacked. Over one half of america would have been taken off the map within hours. So if there were ever one single person that could be thanked in america - my choice would be Kennedy.

There was a sub incident that occured once. Anyone appen to know which one I'm refering to exactly?? BTW, even to this very date we still have out subs in all sorts of foreign waters, bu tthen again the same can be said for here. During the former cold war there was a periscope shot taken from a (then USSR) sub quite close to DC.

And "we" have gotten close to full scale war in places such as Iraq in the past; but only due to our actions.

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we arrested him and tried him for those comments. (overkill really, the public outcry and loss of his position and order of canada medal was probably sufficient to get the point across that Canadians don't approve of anti semitism.)

He was just one typical example of the Native leaders problem solving methodology.

one) he comes from saskatchewan where racism against aboriginals and poverty are amongst the worst in the world.

Sadly, the problem is real, even more sadly, the natives themselves bring a lot of it onto themselves through irresponsible actions of their own. A lot of Saskatchewan's native population are their own worst enemies.

[D0n]

The real WWIII almost happened one some three occasions...


Kennedy was the only single items saving the united states from attempting to have a first strike option in Cuba. BTW such an attempt would have in no way been successful, because the local commanders did in fact have full authorization to launh there fully nuclear armed weapons if attacked. Over one half of america would have been taken off the map within hours. So if there were ever one single person that could be thanked in america - my choice would be Kennedy.

There was a sub incident that occured once. Anyone appen to know which one I'm refering to exactly?? BTW, even to this very date we still have out subs in all sorts of foreign waters, bu tthen again the same can be said for here. During the former cold war there was a periscope shot taken from a (then USSR) sub quite close to DC.

And "we" have gotten close to full scale war in places such as Iraq in the past; but only due to our actions.

the one in the atlantic that led to the discovery of the titanic, and inspired "The hunt for red october"? never heard of it.. lol!
scorpion? wasit?

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There was the one in Maxwell Smart where the sub came up the Hudson?