Can we just say Pakistan is not an ally

jolepp · 05-30-2012, 08:52 AM

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A Pakistani doctor was jailed last week for alleged links to a banned militant group - not for helping the CIA to track down Osama Bin Laden, the text of the trial court's judgement shows.

The BBC's Orla Guerin says the papers add a bizarre twist to the case.

It was originally thought that Shakil Afridi had been imprisoned for running a fake vaccination programme to gather information for US intelligence.
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The text of the judgement - released on Wednesday - shows that Dr Afridi was convicted for providing support and medical treatment to members of the militant group, Lashkar-e-Islam.

The judgement says there is also evidence that he was involved with foreign intelligence agencies, and this should now be considered by other courts.
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The text of the judgement makes clear Dr Afridi was tried for "anti-state activities". The controversial hearing was held behind closed doors under Pakistan's tribal justice system.
...

BBC News - 'Bin Laden doctor' jailed for militant link, says court

D0n · 05-30-2012, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by jolepp

BBC News - 'Bin Laden doctor' jailed for militant link, says court

what a load of crap.... links to militants in that country? You can't spit in any direction in that country with hitting a militant.
It would be kind like playing "three degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon" except stupider. the only question who is friends with which militant?

debmalya · 05-30-2012, 10:48 AM

From what I read, Dr. Shakeel Afridi used to treat injured taliban militants. The talibans disliked him because he charged them high fees. They then kidnapped him and made his family pay a high ransom for his release. After that the doctor became revengeful of the taliban. His wife and family live here in the US and he got in touch with the CIA while visiting here. When he figured that CIA was after a big fish in Abbotabad (he didn't know who they were after) he asked for a $10,000 fees, which he received, and he did what he was asked to. His CIA handler left Pakistan on the night when the raid took place. He was caught several days later when he was trying to cross the border into Afghanistan.
Why wouldn't the CIA give him passage the same way they did to his handler, before the raid? They could have given him a US visa and advised him to leave the same way their own man left. Why did the US leave him behind in Pakistan? What was the US expecting would happen to him when Pakistan catches him?

D0n · 05-30-2012, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by debmalya

From what I read, Dr. Shakeel Afridi used to treat injured taliban militants. The talibans disliked him because he charged them high fees. They then kidnapped him and made his family pay a high ransom for his release. After that the doctor became revengeful of the taliban. His wife and family live here in the US and he got in touch with the CIA while visiting here. When he figured that CIA was after a big fish in Abbotabad (he didn't know who they were after) he asked for a $10,000 fees, which he received, and he did what he was asked to. His CIA handler left Pakistan on the night when the raid took place. He was caught several days later when he was trying to cross the border into Afghanistan.
Why wouldn't the CIA give him passage the same way they did to his handler, before the raid? They could have given him a US visa and advised him to leave the same way their own man left. Why did the US leave him behind in Pakistan? What was the US expecting would happen to him when Pakistan catches him?

well if all true then perhaps he is not the hero i thought he was... I find it is always best to pick a side and be loyal.... when you are on one side you always know the other side is out to get you... try to stay neutral or try to play both sides... and you could find yourself in a cross fire with both sides shooting at you.... middle of the road is the most dangerous place on the road....

Parallax · 05-30-2012, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by D0n

middle of the road is the most dangerous place on the road..

Not necessarily. Why do you suppose Hitler left Switzerland alone?

D0n · 05-30-2012, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

Not necessarily. Why do you suppose Hitler left Switzerland alone?

to fence stolen property and hide money.....

one of the few places that actually got away with playing both sides... but they kep everybodies money safe so players on both sides profitted.... I imagine if money got stolen by the swiss, somebody would have invaded the swiss....

Switzerland during the World Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Controversy over financial relationships with Nazi Germany

Switzerland's trade was blockaded by both the Allies and by the Axis. Each side openly exerted pressure on Switzerland not to trade with the other. Economic cooperation and extension of credit to the Third Reich varied according to the perceived likelihood of invasion, and the availability of other trading partners. Concessions reached their zenith after a crucial rail link through Vichy France was severed in 1942, leaving Switzerland completely surrounded by the Axis. Switzerland relied on trade for half of its food and essentially all of its fuel, but controlled vital trans-alpine rail tunnels between Germany and Italy. Switzerland's most important exports during the war were precision machine tools, watches, jewel bearings (used in bombsights), electricity, and dairy products. Until 1936, the Swiss franc was the only remaining major freely convertible currency in the world,[23] and both the Allies and the Germans sold large amounts of gold to the Swiss National Bank. Between 1940 and 1945, the German Reichsbank sold 1.3 billion francs worth of gold to Swiss Banks in exchange for Swiss francs and other foreign currency, which were used to buy strategically important raw materials like tungsten and oil from neutral countries.[19] Hundreds of millions of francs worth of this gold was monetary gold plundered from the central banks of occupied countries. A total of 581,000 francs' worth of "Melmer" gold taken from Holocaust victims in eastern Europe was sold to Swiss banks.

Parallax · 05-30-2012, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by D0n

to fence stolen property and hide money.....

one of the few places that actually got away with playing both sides... but they kep everybodies money safe so players on both sides profitted.... I imagine if money got stolen by the swiss, somebody would have invaded the swiss....

Switzerland during the World Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It also left him a back door.

05-30-2012, 10:48 AM	#78
debmalya Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: NJ USA Photos: Albums Posts: 209	What kind of a friend is the US? From what I read, Dr. Shakeel Afridi used to treat injured taliban militants. The talibans disliked him because he charged them high fees. They then kidnapped him and made his family pay a high ransom for his release. After that the doctor became revengeful of the taliban. His wife and family live here in the US and he got in touch with the CIA while visiting here. When he figured that CIA was after a big fish in Abbotabad (he didn't know who they were after) he asked for a $10,000 fees, which he received, and he did what he was asked to. His CIA handler left Pakistan on the night when the raid took place. He was caught several days later when he was trying to cross the border into Afghanistan. Why wouldn't the CIA give him passage the same way they did to his handler, before the raid? They could have given him a US visa and advised him to leave the same way their own man left. Why did the US leave him behind in Pakistan? What was the US expecting would happen to him when Pakistan catches him?

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05-30-2012, 08:52 AM	#76
jolepp Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Finland Photos: Albums Posts: 3,196	Quote: A Pakistani doctor was jailed last week for alleged links to a banned militant group - not for helping the CIA to track down Osama Bin Laden, the text of the trial court's judgement shows. The BBC's Orla Guerin says the papers add a bizarre twist to the case. It was originally thought that Shakil Afridi had been imprisoned for running a fake vaccination programme to gather information for US intelligence. ... The text of the judgement - released on Wednesday - shows that Dr Afridi was convicted for providing support and medical treatment to members of the militant group, Lashkar-e-Islam. The judgement says there is also evidence that he was involved with foreign intelligence agencies, and this should now be considered by other courts. ... The text of the judgement makes clear Dr Afridi was tried for "anti-state activities". The controversial hearing was held behind closed doors under Pakistan's tribal justice system. ... BBC News - 'Bin Laden doctor' jailed for militant link, says court

05-30-2012, 09:42 AM	#77
D0n Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 530	Originally posted by jolepp BBC News - 'Bin Laden doctor' jailed for militant link, says court what a load of crap.... links to militants in that country? You can't spit in any direction in that country with hitting a militant. It would be kind like playing "three degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon" except stupider. the only question who is friends with which militant?

05-30-2012, 10:53 AM	#79
D0n Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 530	Originally posted by debmalya From what I read, Dr. Shakeel Afridi used to treat injured taliban militants. The talibans disliked him because he charged them high fees. They then kidnapped him and made his family pay a high ransom for his release. After that the doctor became revengeful of the taliban. His wife and family live here in the US and he got in touch with the CIA while visiting here. When he figured that CIA was after a big fish in Abbotabad (he didn't know who they were after) he asked for a $10,000 fees, which he received, and he did what he was asked to. His CIA handler left Pakistan on the night when the raid took place. He was caught several days later when he was trying to cross the border into Afghanistan. Why wouldn't the CIA give him passage the same way they did to his handler, before the raid? They could have given him a US visa and advised him to leave the same way their own man left. Why did the US leave him behind in Pakistan? What was the US expecting would happen to him when Pakistan catches him? well if all true then perhaps he is not the hero i thought he was... I find it is always best to pick a side and be loyal.... when you are on one side you always know the other side is out to get you... try to stay neutral or try to play both sides... and you could find yourself in a cross fire with both sides shooting at you.... middle of the road is the most dangerous place on the road....

05-30-2012, 11:20 AM	#80
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by D0n middle of the road is the most dangerous place on the road.. Not necessarily. Why do you suppose Hitler left Switzerland alone?

05-30-2012, 11:25 AM	#81
D0n Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 530	Originally posted by Parallax Not necessarily. Why do you suppose Hitler left Switzerland alone? to fence stolen property and hide money..... one of the few places that actually got away with playing both sides... but they kep everybodies money safe so players on both sides profitted.... I imagine if money got stolen by the swiss, somebody would have invaded the swiss.... Switzerland during the World Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quote: Controversy over financial relationships with Nazi Germany Switzerland's trade was blockaded by both the Allies and by the Axis. Each side openly exerted pressure on Switzerland not to trade with the other. Economic cooperation and extension of credit to the Third Reich varied according to the perceived likelihood of invasion, and the availability of other trading partners. Concessions reached their zenith after a crucial rail link through Vichy France was severed in 1942, leaving Switzerland completely surrounded by the Axis. Switzerland relied on trade for half of its food and essentially all of its fuel, but controlled vital trans-alpine rail tunnels between Germany and Italy. Switzerland's most important exports during the war were precision machine tools, watches, jewel bearings (used in bombsights), electricity, and dairy products. Until 1936, the Swiss franc was the only remaining major freely convertible currency in the world,[23] and both the Allies and the Germans sold large amounts of gold to the Swiss National Bank. Between 1940 and 1945, the German Reichsbank sold 1.3 billion francs worth of gold to Swiss Banks in exchange for Swiss francs and other foreign currency, which were used to buy strategically important raw materials like tungsten and oil from neutral countries.[19] Hundreds of millions of francs worth of this gold was monetary gold plundered from the central banks of occupied countries. A total of 581,000 francs' worth of "Melmer" gold taken from Holocaust victims in eastern Europe was sold to Swiss banks.

05-30-2012, 11:53 AM	#82
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by D0n to fence stolen property and hide money..... one of the few places that actually got away with playing both sides... but they kep everybodies money safe so players on both sides profitted.... I imagine if money got stolen by the swiss, somebody would have invaded the swiss.... Switzerland during the World Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It also left him a back door.