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06-11-2012, 07:01 AM   #1
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BBC: Turning around lives of the homeless

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A project helping homeless in a Sydney suburb is claiming impressive results, by challenging the notion that people living on the streets need to find the help themselves.
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The results of the whole scheme, since verified by outside auditors, have been remarkable.

Before Michael, there was practically nobody in long-term housing. After Michael, 50%were in permanent homes.

Before, homeless people were four times more likely to need hospital care than the general public. After, that dropped to 1.7 times. Before, 6% were employed. Afterwards, that tripled to 18%.

Overall, the cost to taxpayers went down from $24,399 (15,567) per homeless person, a year (in costs to the health, justice and other systems) to $20,798 (13,270). That's a saving to the state of $3,601 (2,298) for every homeless person.

"It's more expensive to have a person homeless than not to have a person homeless," says James Toomey from Mission Australia.
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BBC News - Turning around lives of the homeless

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This might work in the USA if polling made it clear that all former homeless people voted 100% of the time for the most right wing Republican available in the election, and were inveterate letter writers on behalf of conservative causes. Then we might see some of that vaunted private charity solving the problems...
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Trying to bring "Sense" (can't call it "common" anymore) is pointless in the US.....Idiocracy is on the rise......
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The American right is only concerned about having people so desperate they will take on any un-safe, demoralizing , life threatening job for pennies a day. Having a place to live... they wouldn't be desperate enough. America is a first world country, that keeps 20% of it's citizens living in third world conditions, intentionally. It has nothing to do with saving money. I has to do with keeping economic slavery alive.

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Norm, to refute your argument I refer you to Medicare Part D and the explosion of earmarks brought on by the Gingrich House.

The American right, as embodied by the Republican party, will spend any amount, contradict any fundamental principle, in order to ensure re-election.
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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
The American right is only concerned about having people so desperate they will take on any un-safe, demoralizing , life threatening job for pennies a day. Having a place to live... they wouldn't be desperate enough. America is a first world country, that keeps 20% of it's citizens living in third world conditions, intentionally. It has nothing to do with saving money. I has to do with keeping economic slavery alive.

They believe, (conveniently) that suffering is good for the soul.. And that what they call good for souls, promotes the 'work ethic,' which they only recognize in teh form of 'greed,' and then wonder why kicking homeless people a lot doesn't make them invent Microsoft for pennies on the dollar. (So that if they somehow did their own oligoploies couldn't destroy/buy out anythign the people *did* come up with, anyway.
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Ah, this is what I missed about Pentax Forum's: as soon as someone posts something completely unrelated to US politics, an American will inevitably steer the conversation in that direction.

I'm going to call it Pentax Forum's Law!
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QuoteOriginally posted by jolepp Quote
"It's more expensive to have a person homeless than not to have a person homeless," says James Toomey from Mission Australia.
Well, that makes decisions easy. Win for homeless people and for taxpayers.

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Ah, this is what I missed about Pentax Forum's: as soon as someone posts something completely unrelated to US politics, an American will inevitably steer the conversation in that direction.

I'm going to call it Pentax Forum's Law!
Awww, we're just jealous of the sanity in other countries' politics
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Ah, this is what I missed about Pentax Forum's: as soon as someone posts something completely unrelated to US politics, an American will inevitably steer the conversation in that direction.

I'm going to call it Pentax Forum's Law!


Actually... you could call it 'Australia does something that worked. Cool. Now what's America's major malfunction?'
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Awww, we're just jealous of the sanity in other countries' politics
Since when was any politics sane? Perhaps less insane
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Actually... you could call it 'Australia does something that worked. Cool. Now what's America's major malfunction?'
Tribal....... "we" didn't think of it (or if "we" did, it wasn't "profitable"... )
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