Why I hate UPS

SpecialK · 06-14-2012, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

If I am buying anything cross border it has to ship USPS. If you think UPS and Fedex are bad within the US, in addition to everything else they rape us on brokerage fees when they bring it into Canada. Even if it is under $25 and the taxes etc are not collected they ding you with the fee and collect the tax. Canada post has released many things $50 and under without collecting anything, and over $50 just the taxes and $2.50-$5 in brokerage - about a tenth of the Bl**dy couriers. anyone who will only ship with a courier loses my business right off

This is how you pay for free health-care, I believe :-)

eddie1960 · 06-14-2012, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by SpecialK

This is how you pay for free health-care, I believe :-)

We actually spend less per capita than the US for health care but removed the profit element. Communist I know but it works for me

RioRico · 06-14-2012, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by eddie1960

We actually spend less per capita than the US for health care but removed the profit element. Communist I know but it works for me

USA: Medicare overhead is 2%. Private healthcare overhead is 22%. (I ran these numbers by my right-wing sister-in-law who was formerly a VERY senior executive [division president] with a MAJOR insurer, and she gloomily confirms their accuracy.) So 1/5 of all USA private healthcare bucks are siphoned-off to feed execs and shareholders. "That's where my money goes / straight up some VP's nose / la la la."

OT: She told of meeting Ross Perot for some business discussions, and he showed her around his Texas ranch, distant on the prairie, grown up around his family farm. She asked him, "Ross, this is a nice spread, but why is it way out here?" He looked her straight in the eye (well, at a slight upward angle) and drawled, "Mule died." His family was trekking westward. That's where the wagon stopped when the mule died; that's where they settled. Funny how stuff like that happens, eh?

I wonder how many DeFex/OOPS shipments are misdelivered because the truck died?

eddie1960 · 06-14-2012, 12:18 PM

yep the insurance companies are bleeding you guys, yet people fear government run health care. I don't get it and never will. (me and a good chunk of the worlds population find it puzzling but it's your country not ours. - just keep your manifest destiny desires under control and forget we exist - or we'll be forced to whup yer asses like 200 years back

**ChrisPlatt** · 06-14-2012, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by grhazelton

Soooo, there seems to be a groundswell of support for good old USPS, a "gummit" agency.
Hardly in tune with the right wing mantra that anything can be done better by private enterprise.

Those folks have been clamoring to privatize the postal service since Bush I.
If the upcoming elections come out wrong they just might get their way.

Chris

SteveM · 06-14-2012, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by SpecialK

This is how you pay for free health-care, I believe :-)

Without getting off topic, Canadians per capita spend far less in taxes for "socialist" health care than the US model. Then you add insurance on top of that.

Anyways, I won't purchase an item from the US if it means dealing with anyone other than USPS. I have posted a few times here the ridiculousness encountered when buying cross boarder. Why would I want to hire a "power of attorney" for Fedex to ship a used telescope purchased off Craigslist? I've had less paperwork buying a home. USPS has always been problem free.....always. I quite frankly don't understand how UPS or Fedex could possibly stay in business.

riff · 06-14-2012, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by SteveM

I won't purchase an item from the US if it means dealing with anyone other than USPS.

Ditto that! What can brown do for me?. Fork off!

eddie1960 · 06-15-2012, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by riff

Ditto that! What can brown do for me?. Fork off!

me too

In fact I can't believe for the type of buying we do that anyone would use anything other than usps for shipment to canada
I deal with all the couriers at work for purchases coming in but I have a Broker for that so they can't take us to the cleaners the way they do private individuals

**boriscleto** · 06-15-2012, 07:25 AM

Does it really take more than 2 days to sort a package? Still sitting in Groveport, OH.

reeftool · 06-16-2012, 07:12 AM

I would have to say that 90% or more of the stuff we order gets here quickly and in good condition regardless of the shipping company involved. My usual response is "Wow!. that was quick!" I have had things get lost or delivered very late on occasion and when that happens, it's easy to forget all the other stuff that arrives on time, especially if it's new camera gear I'm chomping at the bit to get my hands on. If your box is still in Ohio, it's likely in the wrong place and probably won't move until somebody "discovers" it.

**boriscleto** · 06-16-2012, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by reeftool

I would have to say that 90% or more of the stuff we order gets here quickly and in good condition regardless of the shipping company involved. My usual response is "Wow!. that was quick!" I have had things get lost or delivered very late on occasion and when that happens, it's easy to forget all the other stuff that arrives on time, especially if it's new camera gear I'm chomping at the bit to get my hands on. If your box is still in Ohio, it's likely in the wrong place and probably won't move until somebody "discovers" it.

It shouldn't even be a box. It's just an SD card. As of 6/14/2012 the status was "Postage Paid/Ready for destination post office entry".

I bought two SD cards from Adorama, they used the USPS. I received them two days later. I will never do business with B&H again if I can get the same price from Adorama.

jogiba · 06-16-2012, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by debmalya

I know B&H is a UPS customer and they ship everything UPS by default. On occassion I have contacted B&H customer service and complained about UPS shipments - and in turn they have advised me to chose a different paid shipping method during checkout if I didn't want UPS (aka - no free shipping if not UPS). I buy things online quite often and mostly prefer USPS over other carriers - they seem to be more relaible than others. This time was an exception, with my parcel destined to NJ was sent from Bethpage NY to Los Angeles CA!

If I order a camera like the K-01 from B&H I get 1 day UPS Ground delivery but if I order a low cost SDHC memory card they use UPS Mail Innovations (UPS/USPS combo) that takes at least one extra day. I like B&H better than Adorama because B&H has no store in NJ and I don't pay the 7% NJ sales tax .

**boriscleto** · 06-16-2012, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

I like B&H better than Adorama because B&H has no store in NJ and I don't pay the 7% NJ sales tax .

I'm stuck paying 8% whether I order from B&H or Adorama. I have to pay 8% even if I order from Amazon, and NY doesn't get a dime of that from Amazon.

**boriscleto** · 06-16-2012, 07:50 AM

I guess it's just UPS's crappy tracking system. The package showed up today. It must have arrived in Syracuse last night and UPS just never updated the tracker.

debmalya · 06-17-2012, 07:38 PM

If Fedex and UPS were to ever merge, then maybe they would (appropriately) name the company Fedup?

06-16-2012, 07:24 AM	#26
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475 Original Poster	Originally posted by reeftool I would have to say that 90% or more of the stuff we order gets here quickly and in good condition regardless of the shipping company involved. My usual response is "Wow!. that was quick!" I have had things get lost or delivered very late on occasion and when that happens, it's easy to forget all the other stuff that arrives on time, especially if it's new camera gear I'm chomping at the bit to get my hands on. If your box is still in Ohio, it's likely in the wrong place and probably won't move until somebody "discovers" it. It shouldn't even be a box. It's just an SD card. As of 6/14/2012 the status was "Postage Paid/Ready for destination post office entry". I bought two SD cards from Adorama, they used the USPS. I received them two days later. I will never do business with B&H again if I can get the same price from Adorama. Last edited by boriscleto; 06-16-2012 at 07:30 AM.

06-16-2012, 07:50 AM	#29
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475 Original Poster	I guess it's just UPS's crappy tracking system. The package showed up today. It must have arrived in Syracuse last night and UPS just never updated the tracker. Last edited by boriscleto; 06-16-2012 at 07:58 AM.

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06-14-2012, 11:20 AM	#16
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,480	Originally posted by eddie1960 If I am buying anything cross border it has to ship USPS. If you think UPS and Fedex are bad within the US, in addition to everything else they rape us on brokerage fees when they bring it into Canada. Even if it is under $25 and the taxes etc are not collected they ding you with the fee and collect the tax. Canada post has released many things $50 and under without collecting anything, and over $50 just the taxes and $2.50-$5 in brokerage - about a tenth of the Bl**dy couriers. anyone who will only ship with a courier loses my business right off This is how you pay for free health-care, I believe :-)

06-14-2012, 11:27 AM	#17
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by SpecialK This is how you pay for free health-care, I believe :-) We actually spend less per capita than the US for health care but removed the profit element. Communist I know but it works for me

06-14-2012, 12:10 PM	#18
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by eddie1960 We actually spend less per capita than the US for health care but removed the profit element. Communist I know but it works for me USA: Medicare overhead is 2%. Private healthcare overhead is 22%. (I ran these numbers by my right-wing sister-in-law who was formerly a VERY senior executive [division president] with a MAJOR insurer, and she gloomily confirms their accuracy.) So 1/5 of all USA private healthcare bucks are siphoned-off to feed execs and shareholders. "That's where my money goes / straight up some VP's nose / la la la." OT: She told of meeting Ross Perot for some business discussions, and he showed her around his Texas ranch, distant on the prairie, grown up around his family farm. She asked him, "Ross, this is a nice spread, but why is it way out here?" He looked her straight in the eye (well, at a slight upward angle) and drawled, "Mule died." His family was trekking westward. That's where the wagon stopped when the mule died; that's where they settled. Funny how stuff like that happens, eh? I wonder how many DeFex/OOPS shipments are misdelivered because the truck died?

06-14-2012, 12:18 PM	#19
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	yep the insurance companies are bleeding you guys, yet people fear government run health care. I don't get it and never will. (me and a good chunk of the worlds population find it puzzling but it's your country not ours. - just keep your manifest destiny desires under control and forget we exist - or we'll be forced to whup yer asses like 200 years back

06-14-2012, 01:27 PM	#20
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,694	Originally posted by grhazelton Soooo, there seems to be a groundswell of support for good old USPS, a "gummit" agency. Hardly in tune with the right wing mantra that anything can be done better by private enterprise. Those folks have been clamoring to privatize the postal service since Bush I. If the upcoming elections come out wrong they just might get their way. Chris

06-14-2012, 05:11 PM	#21
SteveM Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,294	Originally posted by SpecialK This is how you pay for free health-care, I believe :-) Without getting off topic, Canadians per capita spend far less in taxes for "socialist" health care than the US model. Then you add insurance on top of that. Anyways, I won't purchase an item from the US if it means dealing with anyone other than USPS. I have posted a few times here the ridiculousness encountered when buying cross boarder. Why would I want to hire a "power of attorney" for Fedex to ship a used telescope purchased off Craigslist? I've had less paperwork buying a home. USPS has always been problem free.....always. I quite frankly don't understand how UPS or Fedex could possibly stay in business.

06-14-2012, 07:00 PM	#22
riff Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,408	Originally posted by SteveM I won't purchase an item from the US if it means dealing with anyone other than USPS. Ditto that! What can brown do for me?. Fork off!

06-15-2012, 07:18 AM	#23
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by riff Ditto that! What can brown do for me?. Fork off! me too In fact I can't believe for the type of buying we do that anyone would use anything other than usps for shipment to canada I deal with all the couriers at work for purchases coming in but I have a Broker for that so they can't take us to the cleaners the way they do private individuals

06-15-2012, 07:25 AM	#24
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475 Original Poster	Does it really take more than 2 days to sort a package? Still sitting in Groveport, OH.

06-16-2012, 07:12 AM	#25
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,554	I would have to say that 90% or more of the stuff we order gets here quickly and in good condition regardless of the shipping company involved. My usual response is "Wow!. that was quick!" I have had things get lost or delivered very late on occasion and when that happens, it's easy to forget all the other stuff that arrives on time, especially if it's new camera gear I'm chomping at the bit to get my hands on. If your box is still in Ohio, it's likely in the wrong place and probably won't move until somebody "discovers" it.

06-16-2012, 07:31 AM	#27
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by debmalya I know B&H is a UPS customer and they ship everything UPS by default. On occassion I have contacted B&H customer service and complained about UPS shipments - and in turn they have advised me to chose a different paid shipping method during checkout if I didn't want UPS (aka - no free shipping if not UPS). I buy things online quite often and mostly prefer USPS over other carriers - they seem to be more relaible than others. This time was an exception, with my parcel destined to NJ was sent from Bethpage NY to Los Angeles CA! If I order a camera like the K-01 from B&H I get 1 day UPS Ground delivery but if I order a low cost SDHC memory card they use UPS Mail Innovations (UPS/USPS combo) that takes at least one extra day. I like B&H better than Adorama because B&H has no store in NJ and I don't pay the 7% NJ sales tax .

06-16-2012, 07:47 AM	#28
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475 Original Poster	Originally posted by jogiba I like B&H better than Adorama because B&H has no store in NJ and I don't pay the 7% NJ sales tax . I'm stuck paying 8% whether I order from B&H or Adorama. I have to pay 8% even if I order from Amazon, and NY doesn't get a dime of that from Amazon.

06-17-2012, 07:38 PM	#30
debmalya Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: NJ USA Photos: Albums Posts: 209	If Fedex and UPS were to ever merge, then maybe they would (appropriately) name the company Fedup?