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06-21-2012, 07:36 AM   #16
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... the "Truthers" are a bunch of nut jobs and publicity hounds.
If by "truthers" you mean the "inside job" crowd, I'm in complete agreement.

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Yep through all 57 states.
I'm surprised actually that Obama's slip hasn't generated a bunch of truther talk about the Heinz empire....
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I'm surprised actually that Obama's slip hasn't generated a bunch of truther talk about the Heinz empire....
But then the wealth of a stiff guy from Massachusetts running for president is probably not what those who focus on that slip want to talk about.
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But then the wealth of a stiff guy from Massachusetts running for president is probably not what those who focus on that slip want to talk about.
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But then the wealth of a stiff guy from Massachusetts running for president is probably not what those who focus on that slip want to talk about.
Reminds me what the late Harvey Rosenberg said about power supplies:
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Some people when showed proof tend to ignore it.

But then go hiding under a rock when three thousand americans lose their lives on 9/11 - something that was perfectly preventable. Then america goes to Iraq and loses how many american lives there - all for nothing
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Some people when showed proof tend to ignore it.
So, proof of what? I'm trying to understand.

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Please explain.

I can understand those that disagree with many of Obama's policies, but I think calling him an "utter incompetent fraud and serial liar" is a bit over the top. Obama is a moderate democrat. Nothing less, and nothing more.
How much money do you get paid to frequent websites to post such ridiculous statements that Obama is a moderate democrat?

I guess Obama didn't get the memo he was a moderate when he joined the radical socialist New Party back in 1996 while running for office in Illinois. In 2008 during the general election his campaign lied about the fact that he was indeed a signed member of the New Party.

How can one describe the Obama White House ATF Operation Fast & Furious other than an utter incompetent fraud. Holder has already lied to congress trying to blame shift Fast & Furious on the Bush administration. Holder had to recant his testimony that he claimed President Bush's AG Mukasey knew of Fast & Furious. When called on it to prove this Holder in the most recent testimony presented a letter recanting his earlier testimony. Normally it is a crime to blatantly lie to congress but in the case of Holder he is above the law and can just submit a letter recanting the fraud. White House staffers in early testimony lied that they didn't know what Fast & Furious was by using word semantics because internally the White House was calling Fast & Furious Operation Gun Runner. In the House hearing the staffers were asked about emails about Fast & Furious and said they had never heard of Fast & Furious simply because they were calling it Operation Gun Runner.

The timeline to Operation Fast & Furious starts with President Obama and AG Holder appointing Kenneth Melson as Director of ATF on April 8, 2009. The following week President Obama on April 16, 2009 travels to Mexico City, Mexico to give a speech where he makes the claim that 90% of gun violence in Mexico is due to guns from the United States. This set in motion Operation Fast & Furious to make his statements true by the Federal Government illegally selling thousands of assault weapons to known criminals. ATF head Melson went so far as to have surveillance cameras set up in gun shops so he could actually watch the illegal gun sales take place in real time right in his office. I guess this was to better report back to President Obama and AG Holder just how the Operation was going.

The Obama White House has continued the lies on Operation Fast & Furious by sending out Jay Carney yesterday to lie to the press yet again that Operation Fast & Furious was the previous administrations doing that the Obama Justice Department actually was responsible for stopping it. This is just a bold face lie and a continuation of the fraud. To date the main stream media has never even covered this story nor has the President been asked any questions about it. Some networks have never even mentioned it.

How about the incompetence and lies surrounding Solyndra? Obama campaign bundler Tulsa billionaire George Kaiser who along with others were slated to lose 500 million dollars if Solyndra failed was not only able to get a federal loan he was able to renegotiate the terms of the loan so Kaiser and his associates were able to get paid first if Solyndra failed. It is no surprise that the loan they received was for 535 million dollars enough and some to cover their loses. There are some 18 White House visits by Kaiser and his associates along with a whole trail of emails that shows complete collusion between the White House and Kaiser. Again the Obama White House has lied that Solyndra was from the Bush Adminstration when in fact the Bush Administration denied the loan and the Obama White House fast tracked the loan. There is some 35 billion such loans to green energy companies that tax payers are on the hook for. To date there has been multiple bankruptcies of these companies that are already totaling in the billions of dollars in loses to the taxpayer that have never be properly reported by the media.

How about President Obama's on going lies about his mother not being covered by her insurance company while battling cancer. He still perpetuates this fraud. New York Times journalist Janny Scott wrote a book on Obama's mother where she found that Obama's mother at no time was not covered by her insurance company. She was fully covered.

There is a new book out revealing that Obama's best selling memoir Dreams of My Father is largely made up of complete fabrications. Again the author of the book David Maraniss is a Washington Post reporter a friend of the administration. Only the Daily Mail out of the UK has even mentioned what has been fabricated in Obama's memoir. This New York TImes Blog Spot never really even mentions what the fabrications are in the book.

This stuff just goes on and on and on.
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I thought you might say 'serial killer'?
It is rather ironic that you would call President Obama a "serial killer".

President Obama apparently got his first blood lust for killing when he ordered the assassination of the teenage Somali pirates in April 2009. The Times article shows that the lifeboat was being towed behind a Navy Destroyer when the assassinations took place. The Navy was in complete control of the situation which could have been resolved over a time. Up until that point the Somali pirates had not been known to kill hostages. The assassination of these teenage pirates eventually led to the murder of Four US hostages. On any other given day those teenage Somali pirates could have been President Obama's sons.

Even on a bigger scale of President Obama's blood lust for killing is the on going drone strikes across the globe. President Obama has ordered hundreds of drone strikes that could have potentially assassinated thousands of people world wide without ever giving any of these people due process or Miranda rights. Through leaks from the White House itself it has been recently revealed that President Obama not only orders the strikes he has hands on involvement on who is actually murdered through a "kill list".

So Nester you calling President Obama a "serial killer" might just be a reality.
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Obama not only orders the strikes he has hands on involvement on who is actually murdered through a "kill list".
AND he is monitoring this forum!!!!!! Congrats you just made the list.
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How much money do you get paid to frequent websites to post such ridiculous statements that Obama is a moderate democrat?
Actually, Obama governs as a moderate Republican, a beast otherwise extinct. If one bothers to actually listen to the man, one would see that all this 'radical socialist' stuff is complete fantasy and projection by radical right wing merchants.

Believe us liberals, we see Obama for what he is and are at least mildly disappointed at how far right he actually operates.
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To try and put this thread back on topic....


For those out there who would like to read an excellent book on what led up to September 11, I highly recommend the one written by Steve Colls titled Ghost Wars. It will be an eye opener for some.
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Actually, Obama governs as a moderate Republican, a beast otherwise extinct. If one bothers to actually listen to the man, one would see that all this 'radical socialist' stuff is complete fantasy and projection by radical right wing merchants.

Believe us liberals, we see Obama for what he is and are at least mildly disappointed at how far right he actually operates.
As a US Citizen what I see is President Obama clearly governs as a neo-marxist ideologue.
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As a US Citizen what I see is President Obama clearly governs as a neo-marxist ideologue.
As a US Citizen perhaps you see that Reagan governed as a further-left neo-marxist then?

At any rate, in my (limited) experience in the genre, the vast consipracy paranoiacs tend to see Nazi connections everywhere, even in Communist countries, rather than Marxism.
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No-planes theory

The "no plane theory," promoted by internet-only videos like 911 Taboo,[170] asserts that this shot of the second impact, taken from a news helicopter, depicts a video composite of a Boeing 767 accidentally appearing from behind a Layer Mask.Nico Haupt and former chief economist within the Labor Department under the Bush administration, Morgan Reynolds, argue that no planes were used in the attacks. Reynolds claims it is physically impossible that the Boeing planes of Flights 11 and 175 could have penetrated the steel frames of the Towers, and that digital compositing was used to depict the plane crashes in both news reports and subsequent amateur video.[171] "There were no planes, there were no hijackers," Reynolds insists. "I know, I know, I'm out of the mainstream, but that's the way it is." According to David Shayler, "The only explanation is that they were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes," he says. "Watch footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Center." Truth movement veterans have repeatedly refuted the "no-plane" claims.[78][172][171] Discussion of no plane theories have been banned from certain conspiracy theory websites while advocates have been sometimes threatened with violence by posters at other conspiracy theory websites.[173]
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I watched it happen out my window, and my good friends who were at 7WTC saw the plane go over them. I'm sure the top secret CIA/military hologram generators are up to the task however. Tell that to the ex-babysitter of one of my good friends whose entire back side was sliced off by a flying, rotating jet engine turbine. Luckily she survived because an ambulance just happened to be right down the street from her when this happened. I guess that is further proof this was all a set up - why else would an ambulance be on the street anywhere near the WTC?
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