[magkelly]

I've been having a long term argument on a board I am on with someone who's determined to disagree with me on the question of whether or not MJ's kids are genetically his or not. Now, personally I've never had any problems seeing MJ in all three of his kids despite the fact that they are of mixed race. Paris to me looks a lot like Debby Rowe her mother, but every now and again I could see a young Latoya in her face too. Prince? Definitely very MJ albeit Caucasianized a fair bit and the younger Prince the one that they call Blanket but that I suspect someday will likely go by Micheal I think he's a dead ringer for his father as a young kid though his nose is a bit less broad and it looks like his mother may well be Hispanic whoever she is.

Most people I think only see the Jackson's post surgery and they tend to dismiss any likenesses as a result most of the time, but I remember the Jackson's as kids a bit better and I've always thought that pre-surgery his kids looked a lot like certain members of his clan. I've also noticed similarities in how they walk, and move. I don't think there's any denying it, particularly as they get older. They look more Caucasian than the rest of the family does but I think they do look like they are Jackson's kids.

But this other guy we've gone back and forth with this a few times, with me insisting that he's just not seeing it and him saying I'm nuts, that they're test tube kids and made from some other guy's sperm. Yesterday though someone posted this in the thread and I had to laugh because if ever anything illustrated my argument in favor this little video is it. If you're into faces at all and I am this is a very interesting comparison of everyone involved, MJ, his family, his ex-wife et all. Well, just have a look, argument aside, photographically I think it's pretty cool...

PS: Pay special attention to the hands and feet on the kids and to those on MJ, and to the white spots on Prince. Look familar? MJ had those too and the skin disease that went with it. He wasn't the only one in his family to have that and/or maybe Lupus apparently.

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Last edited by magkelly; 07-20-2012 at 12:33 PM.

[snake]

I can think of many, many things more useful to argue about.

[magkelly]

I can think of many, many things more useful to argue about.

Yeah, maybe, but me I kind of get tired sometimes of arguing about politics, religion, wars, guns, how bad AF is, whether or not there's ever a FF Pentax coming or not. Blah, blah, blah. Arguing about this makes a nice change of pace for me sometimes, laugh. Besides for me unlike most of those topics this actually is related to my favorite thing in photography, my eternal fascination with faces. I like doing this actually taking a pic in photoshop of someone and overlaying it with pics of family members and such to see if there are resemblances you might not notice at first. I rather like forensic photography too, recreating faces from old skulls and such.

Actually what got me the most here was how MJ and Paris both looked like a lot like MJ's father in some of these pics. I never caught that in all the years he was on this earth, that MJ actually vaguely resembled his father even as a young man. In fact until I saw this I would have thought absolutely not, but he actually does a bit. At least he did before all the surgery, and with all that surgery, and it's not just MJ but most of the rest of them too, you can still see the family resemblance. That explains a lot I think about MJ's cosmetic surgery addiction. He had issues with his father his whole life long and I always wondered why he had this obsession with wanting to change his face so much. Could be he was always looking in the mirror as a child, seeing that bit of a resemblance, not liking it much, and wanted to change it?

I find that very interesting actually. People are always telling me I look like my Mom, but I did this with some photos of my parents as young people once and what I realized is that what people are commenting on is just my face shape, and the color of my eyes and hair. I actually feature for feature resemble my father and his mother far more than I do my own mother. You should try it, in Photoshop using layers, superimpose pics of yourself and your relatives. I bet you might be surprised by the results. There are often people in your family that you never think that you look like but when you superimpose you suddenly realize that you do. It can be rather illuminating if faces are your thing. You certainly get a better sense of your genetics and how they mix and carry down doing it I think...

[Tom S.]

I don't care if they look like him as long as they don't act like him.

[lammie200]

...You certainly get a better sense of your genetics and how they mix and carry down doing it I think...

When I saw a pic of my daughter in utero I thought that she looked a lot like one of my sisters. She's 6 now and I still think that she looks more like my sister than anyone else. Funny because my first impression was probably right even given the fact that the pic looked like a paper mache mock-up. It was a 3-d looking composite of several pics from different angles. A bit on the creepy side.

As far as MJ's kids go, as long as they stay away from plastic surgeons and don't set their heads on fire, they will never look like him IMHO.

[Rupert]

Not much of a concern to me...I have little interest in Michael Jackson...nothing personal, just not my kind of music.....or my kind of guy.

My bigger and more pressing problem is the rumors that go around here in the Woods of Otis regarding the kinship of Otis and the Devil Squirrel. Some say the Devil Squirrel is Otis' real daddy.....others say it is the other way around, and others, in particular those that have lost loved ones to the wrath of Otis....say that Otis is the Devil himself?
Otis is silent on the subject...and I try to avoid the Devil Squirrel...so I can't really even speculate?

What do you think?

Otis- Damn...he looks harmless enough?
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Devil Squirrel-Why I don't go out in those Wood of Otis often!
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There is somewhat of a resemblance...you think?

Regards!

[magkelly]

Rupert I think you're a truly awesome lunatic, lol. That's what I think....

[Rupert]

Rupert I think you're a truly awesome lunatic, lol. That's what I think....

Could be right.....but the only real danger from old Rupert is if you get hungry, I may overfeed you. We know there are worse kinds of lunatics out there....unfortunately.

Regards!

So what was you thoughts on the kinship of Otis? He is the devil...isn't he!

[magkelly]

Could be right.....but the only real danger from old Rupert is if you get hungry, I may overfeed you. We know there are worse kinds of lunatics out there....unfortunately.

Regards!

So what was you thoughts on the kinship of Otis? He is the devil...isn't he!

Nah, can't you see he's got a halo? That cute little squirrel is no Damien, his potential parentage notwithstanding. Why I'm a thousand miles away and I can still see the glow from here. :P

[Jodokast96]

But this other guy we've gone back and forth with this a few times, with me insisting that he's just not seeing it and him saying I'm nuts, that they're test tube kids and made from some other guy's sperm.

I don't think there's a whole lot of question as to whether or not he is genetically their father. But I think most would agree he was nothing more than a donor, so in that regard, I believe your counterpart is correct.

[Rupert]

.........I'm looking for that halo Mag......it sure isn't visible here! Anyhow, my bet is that Mrs Rupert won't see it!

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Regards!

[magkelly]

I don't think there's a whole lot of question as to whether or not he is genetically their father. But I think most would agree he was nothing more than a donor, so in that regard, I believe your counterpart is correct.

If he could bring himself to have sex with Lisa Marie Presley and two of his backup singers what makes you think he couldn't have had sex with these kid's mothers? It's been widely speculated but not confirmed that these are all IVF kids. All his people have admitted to is that he used a surrogate for the last one, the one they nicknamed Blanket. That's it. But according to the porn they found when they raided his place, which was hetero, and Lisa Marie, as well as a couple of other ex's, MJ liked women just fine. He was with one of the kid's nannies when he died, in a long term thing. He dated and slept with a couple of his back up singers. They were actual LTR's girlfriends and they both say he did just fine in bed. Lisa Marie claims he was very enthusiastic in bed with her. I don't know if MJ liked guys as well, but he certainly didn't dislike sleeping with women. He was rather shy about talking about his sex life for a guy who couldn't sing sans grabbing his crotch but I do think he was at the very least bi, and likely hetero.

Blanket he hired a surrogate for. Debby Rowe is kind of coy about whether they ever did have sex or not. Sometimes it's yes, sometimes it's no, but his other GF have been far more candid about it. He did have GF's and apparently did have sex with them. For some strange reason he just wanted the world to think of him as basically asexual, a grown up Peter Pan. Maybe it was just being raised JW, I don't know, but given the amount of hetero porn they found at Neverland I'd say it was definitely a pose. MJ had more girly magazines than you'd ever believe he'd possess and btw, the only thing they ever found of other guys or young buys was a pic in an art book. One pic despite a huge porn collection that spanned decades? That doesn't exactly scream gay to me. Particularly since it wasn't even porn but a book on photography.

I tend to think MJ was a big poser in some ways and that he was rather stupid when it came to hanging around with kids the way he did. Given how he wanted people to see him, and the fact that he hid his relationships with women, it was only natural that some people would see him as a child molester and that someone would come along who would take advantage and lie eventually and try to extort him. The stupidest move he ever made was not denouncing his insurance company for paying off the Chandler case sans his permission. He should have gone to court with that one too. Chandler's kid won't say his father set the whole thing up. Probably because he fears being sued to get all the money back. I doubt he has much to fear legally in terms of criminal charges. The LA prosecutor's office won't touch him otherwise, but the fact that he totally disavowed his father and mother, got emancipated, and left the country rather than testify at the trial for the second kid speaks volumes. If he didn't have doubts himself about his own memories he probably would have testified.

I did not know that until recently. I did know the second kid and his mother came off as very bad on the stand, but I didn't know that Chandler point blank refused to testify and left the country to avoid doing it. Cut off his parents and all. Later his Dad committed suicide too. I still felt sorry for him but I also couldn't help but wonder if he had a guilty conscience. His accusations ruined MJ and likely he made the whole dared thing up, drugged his own kid into false memories no less. The second kid, his family was milking MJ for every penny they could get even before they accused him. They wanted him to build them a new house for crying out loud. When he refused and started to distance himself, guess what, there's a new accusation.

The guy who prosecuted these cases suggested a lot of things that were simply not true and that could be verified like the non matching dick pics. He wanted to nail Jackson whether he was guilty or innocent. The court of public opinion at the time sure believed he was, but I think a lot of people are looking back at what happened now and they are not so ready to see Jackson as a pedophile. The 2nd kid, the fact that he blew it on the stand, his mother, Culkin, Haim, and others coming forward to say that they were not molested, that made people doubt that he was one.

After he died the GFs' they came out of the background too. People suddenly realized that he actually liked women in bed and it was like "Ooops!" I was inclined to believe it myself for a long time, but the trial evidence doesn't support it. No one who actually knew him supports it. They all say he wasn't gay, wasn't a pedo, and if he was? He hid it like no one has ever hid it before, that's all I have to say on that score, because there is NOTHING, no tape, no books, nothing but the statements of two kids neither of which looks credible and who both had parents who were definitely into making money off MJ in a big way.

Chandler's father, he was a horror in real life. Few people liked him and he apparently pulled some other money making scams with other people. Ditto the second kid's mom. She used her kids in welfare fraud schemes long before she ever met MJ. These are people I'm supposed to take at their word? Given a total lack of any evidence? Given their kids couldn't even keep their details straight? I don't think so. If I am going to label someone a pedo I want to know that they are truly guilty sans any shadow of a doubt. I can't just assume that and potentially ruin someone's life like they tried to and that's coming from a person who was molested, touched by friends of the family. I was luckier than most. That's all they tried to do and my Mom stopped it quick too, but it took me years to come to terms with the fact that they tried it.

I was very inclined to believe, but I really don't think he was into kids, not that way. Not anymore. I read it all, all the documents, the trial stuff, it's just not there. You had gossip, innuendo, and some pissed off ex employees into making up a lot of stuff to get tabloid checks, but not much else, and way too much hetero porn and way too many kids testifying that Jackson did NOT touch them. I may think he was weirder than weird at times, but a pedo? I just cannot see that based on what evidence there is and all that.

It's a shame what happened to him because it's looking more and more like it was a set up extortion thing and that was a truly terrible thing to do to him if he wasn't one. I mean look at what happened. Look at the damage they did to his career, the pain they caused him and his family. No matter if he was innocent. He will bear that nasty label for the rest of history and yet he may not have earned it. That's just horrible when you think about it. He's beyond caring now, but his kids, his family, that's another matter and it's got to really hurt seeing that label used on him all the time.

But I look at his kids and I do see him, his family. The gene pool is there. Blanket looks a lot like him. Paris like her Mom but also like her aunts. Look at Prince and look at Katherine. He's got her size, her build and her hands. IVF maybe. But he definitely used his own sperm if he went there. He is their bio father but even if he wasn't. They were his kids. He raised them and did a pretty good job of it from what it looks like too. They just stood up to the rest of their father's siblings in an impressive way. It was quite fascinating to watch in the news. Whatever else Jackson was he looks to have been a pretty good Dad.