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10-01-2012, 12:56 PM   #61
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Gene the line that is bold is the statement that I was trying to understand, the impression is that you say she can claim to be a Native American then change her mind and both are correct? I understand that you say that not everyone has a complete genealogical profile of their families however when you fill out applications you are stating that what you are putting in them is the truth and not the truth at the time so that it serves your purpose. I feel that if you are claiming minority status you had better be able to prove it if you can't then you are belittling the people that can honestly claim that status.
As I said in the lengthy post above: at the time in question, there really *was* a great deal of shifting discussion about what Native American ancestry *meant.* (Actually, some of the controversy about casinos in various states about tribal status is really some of the downstream fallout from this: it's a complicated issue.)

Simply put, though, at the time, people could be being perfectly honest and fill out a different blank than consensus might call for now.

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Yes, and there is a big difference between your ethnic heritage and your membership in a tribe, with accompanying rights to profits, etc.
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Ben Stein: Mitt Romney’s Mormonism is a ‘worry’

Ben Stein: Mitt Romney?s Mormonism is a ?worry? - Bobby Cervantes - POLITICO.com

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While the “media, except for Fox News, is desperately against Mr. Romney,” Stein wrote in a post for The American Spectator, “we also have a huge problem of our own making: we do not know who Mitt Romney is. Even to me, who is a political animal, Mr. Romney is a mystery man. Is he ‘the best, most honest governor Massachusetts has ever had’ but a distinct liberal? Or is he now a conservative? What does he stand for? And what does it mean that he is a Mormon?”


“If he really cannot come out with a clear list of what he believes in, maybe he should not have been the nominee in the first place,” Stein wrote.
Read more: Ben Stein: Mitt Romney?s Mormonism is a ?worry? - Bobby Cervantes - POLITICO.com

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The LDS Church is hardly the only religious institution to be less than forthcoming about its wealth; the Catholic Church has been equally opaque. On the other hand, said historian D. Michael Quinn, who is working on a book about the LDS Church’s finances and businesses, "the Mormon church is very different than any other church."


"Traditional Christianity and Judaism make a clear distinction between what is spiritual and what is temporal," Quinn said, "while Mormon theology specifically denies that there is such a distinction."

To Latter-day Saints, opening megamalls, running a Polynesian theme park and operating a media and insurance empire are all part of doing God’s work, Quinn said. "In the Mormon worldview, it’s as spiritual to give alms to the poor, as the old phrase goes in the biblical sense, as it is to make a million dollars."

While Mormons make up only about 2 percent of the U.S. population, the church’s holdings are vast. First among its for-profit enterprises is DMC, which reaps an estimated $1.2 billion in annual revenue from six subsidiaries, according to Hoover’s Company Records.



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No matter what the religion...church (temple, etc.) should be separate from state.

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Indeed, Romney was so agitated about the matter that he confronted Sheldon's parents about her decision as well. According to R. B. Scott, author of the insightful Mitt Romney: An Inside Look at the Man and His Politics, Romney's only concern was for the unborn fetus. Last year, Scott, who is also a Mormon, interviewed Sheldon's 90-year-old father, Phil Hilton, who remembered the incident quite vividly. "I have never been so upset about anything in my life," he told Scott. "[Romney] is an authoritative type fellow who thinks he is in charge of the world."

Back at the hospital, a distraught Carrel Hilton Sheldon assented to her doctor's advice and terminated her life-threatening pregnancy. She recovered from her medical crisis, moved to the West Coast, and continued to raise her four children.

"He can seem very distant, unattached at times, almost heartless," says Judith Dushku, a lifelong Mormon and an associate professor of government at Suffolk University in Boston. Vivacious and energetic, with a wide range of intellectual interests, Dushku has known Mitt Romney since the early 1970s, when they were both active in the LDS. Romney later served as her ward bishop, from 1981 to 1986, and as her stake president from 1986 until 1994, when he ran unsuccessfully for the United States Senate against Edward M. Kennedy.

Dushku was a close friend of Carrel Hilton Sheldon when Sheldon went through her experience with Romney. "We were all terribly worried about her health," she says of Sheldon's close circle of women friends. "She had had severe medical difficulties, and the idea that she would carry the child to birth was terrifying to us. We loved her. We all expected that Mitt would support the decision of his ecclesiastical superior [the stake president] and when he denounced her and essentially shouted at her that she was wrong--that she was immoral and selfish--I thought, are you kidding me? I couldn't imagine that he would do that. I couldn't imagine anyone doing that."
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