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10-12-2012, 07:21 AM   #1
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Awesome deceptiveness. Play what the two candidates said, RNC.
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Biden is disrespectful, condescending, adolescent, and immature- the opposite of his far younger opponent. He lied throughout the debate, as well. I've been watching these debates for 40+ years, and have never seen anything like Biden. What a walking joke to be 2nd in line for POTUS.
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The Vice Presidential Debate: Joe Biden Was Right to Laugh | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone

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I've never thought much of Joe Biden. But man, did he get it right in last night's debate, and not just because he walloped sniveling little Paul Ryan on the facts. What he got absolutely right, despite what you might read this morning (many outlets are criticizing Biden's dramatic excesses), was his tone. Biden did absolutely roll his eyes, snort, laugh derisively and throw his hands up in the air whenever Ryan trotted out his little beady-eyed BS-isms.

But he should have! He was absolutely right to be doing it. We all should be doing it. That includes all of us in the media, and not just paid obnoxious-opinion-merchants like me, but so-called "objective" news reporters as well. We should all be rolling our eyes, and scoffing and saying, "Come back when you're serious."

The load of balls that both Romney and Ryan have been pushing out there for this whole election season is simply not intellectually serious. Most of their platform isn't even a real platform, it's a fourth-rate parlor trick designed to paper over the real agenda – cutting taxes even more for super-rich dickheads like Mitt Romney, and getting everyone else to pay the bill.


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QuoteOriginally posted by shiner Quote
Biden is disrespectful, condescending, adolescent, and immature- the opposite of his far younger opponent. He lied throughout the debate, as well. I've been watching these debates for 40+ years, and have never seen anything like Biden. What a walking joke to be 2nd in line for POTUS.
He reminds me of the salesman who is just so slimey that he causes you to walk away from an ok deal on a used car you really wanted.
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He reminds me of the salesman who is just so slimey that he causes you to walk away from an ok deal on a used car you really wanted.
Shouldn't talk about Ryan that way................ LOL
Very short selective memory................
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/08/paul-ryans-large-lies-and-one-big-truth.html


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Part of Ryan’s logic at the time (according to two sources, one in each party) was that signing a deal “would pave the way for Mr. Obama’s easy reelection.” This was a plausible calculation — agreeing to a deficit compromise would have made it hard for Republicans to run against Obama as a left-wing spendthrift. And here was Ryan last night, running against Obama as a left-wing spendthrift, precisely as his own strategy enabled.

Incredibly, the larger theme of Ryan’s speech was to assail Obama for failing to take full responsibilities for this state of affairs — Obama is “shifting blame,” “blaming others.” It is the single largest motif of Ryan’s speech. Let’s review: Ryan helps to create a massive structural deficit, repeatedly and almost single-handedly prevents a solution, then runs for vice-president, blaming Obama for the structural deficit and further blaming him for his unwillingness to agree that this is all his own fault. The really amazing thing is that it could possibly work.
funny how "we the people" get lost in all the "strategy"....
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Joe Biden: Paul Ryan a ‘gentleman,’ but ‘hardly agree with anything he says’ - The Washington Post
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QuoteOriginally posted by shiner Quote
Biden is disrespectful, condescending, adolescent, and immature- the opposite of his far younger opponent. He lied throughout the debate, as well. I've been watching these debates for 40+ years, and have never seen anything like Biden. What a walking joke to be 2nd in line for POTUS.
You are quoting a link from BrietBart? Good grief....

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From yesterday's Rude Pundit

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6. Mostly, though, think of the debate this way: In 2008, Joe Biden, who smiled at Sarah Palin the way one does at a particularly precocious toddler, had to hold his fire for fear of seeming sexist or bullying to the then-governor. He got to unload on Ryan. And all those years in the Senate, all those years confronting presidents, all of it came to bear last night as he beat down Ryan viciously and mercilessly. Ryan is the perfect product of Republican America, someone who grew up in the Reagan era in a protected bubble, who learned at the knee of conservatives and worked for people like Sam Brownback, a man whose philosophy is a synthesis of cruel social conservatism and bastardized Ayn Rand. In other words, he is everything Joe Biden has fought against. Of course Biden was gonna cut off this puffed up punk at the knees. That Ryan ******* brought up a fatal car crash in front of the guy who lost his wife and daughter in one. Shit, when it was done, you half-expected the Vice President to brush his shoulder.

It is probably Biden's last time on the big stage. Give the bright-toothed guy his victory lap.
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You are quoting a link from BrietBart? Good grief....
Mainstream sources called BS on the same items.Can you dispute any of them?


Fact Check: Top Ten Worst Lies by Joe Biden in VP Debate

Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.
Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:
Update - Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan." Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.

10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All of that is true.

9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically, Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.

8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of small business jobs.

7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare proposes a board to impose cost controls.

6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.

5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran, causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East. Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not stopping its nuclear program.

4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact, and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie. The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies. That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.

3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts. But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."

2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare. As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.

1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied through his teeth about the fact that the administration--specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described his frustration with having those requests turned down by the government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the building

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Daily Kos: Paul Ryan Tells 24 'Myths' in 40 Minutes, USAToday Factchecks... Joe Biden

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I guess Vice President Biden must have done such a great job disputing and pushing back on Paul Ryan's LIES, that when USA Today decided to factcheck the Vice Presidential debate in A 2nd Look at Biden and Ryan Claims, most of their factchecking centered around disputing Vice President Biden's claims.

They factchecked Joe's claim that the Ryan budget cut $300MM from embassy security. They factchecked his claim that Romney said he wouldn't move heaven and earth to catch bin Laden. They factcheck his claim that sanctions are hurting Iran's economy. They checked whether Romney wanted 30,000 service members to stay in Iran.

They checked the claim that Ryan's Medicare plan would cost seniors and extra $6,400. They checked whether the Romney Ryan tax plan gives $500 billion to the richest 120,000 families.

They checked whether it was true that their plan was impossible without raising taxes on the middle class, or blowing up the deficit. They checked whether Romney said he would let the auto companies fail.

They checked whether Ryan really asked for stimulus money for his district. (In fact the AP has since unearthed a finding that not only did Ryan make the requests Biden mentioned, but there were two more that he didn't even know about).

Well it's a good thing they checked all those things Joe Biden said for us, because, they were all found to be essentially true. What claims by Ryan did they check? A total of four. His claim that Obama took two weeks to acknowledge the Benghazi attacks were done by terrorists (false), that Obama has called Syria's Assad a reformer (false) that Obamacare pays for abortions (absolutely false) and that a Romney/Ryan administration would oppose abortion with exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother. (impossible to figure out given Romney's "history" and Ryan's extreme stance). The rest of his LIES remained unchallenged.
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Wow, "fact checks" quote from a left wing blogger. Here's fun quote from the other side.

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Ben Domenech:
"Last night Ryan ran into one of the consummate liars and demagogues of our political age in Joe Biden, a blustering boisterous blowhard of a man who careens forward, capped teeth flashing in the sun, through inaccuracies and conflations of all shapes and sizes with reassuring emotional appeals and tough-sounding rhetoric. His entire career is built on his ability to tell blatant falsehoods and sound convincing while he does it. I actually enjoy Biden’s style – he is the ideal modern specimen of Senator qui absurdum est, his DNA strands traced to the very first braggadocios of Rome, clad in the toga candida, who so enjoyed interrupting the stammering Cicero. Joe, crazy uncle Joe, ended up as Vice President – can you believe it? Biden just thinks he’s lucky to be along for the ride, and he’s the best there is in politics at following the Costanza advice."
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He reminds me of the salesman who is just so slimey that he causes you to walk away from an ok deal on a used car you really wanted.
Ryan? He should. Even if your gaffe-master embarrassing uncle says so. Facts are facts. One way Biden represents me is how the very freaking things Ryan is saying aren't even to be taken seriously, any more than Romney's ever shifting non-platform.


And, seriously, USA Today is now 'left wing?' For fact-checking? Really?
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Ryan? He should. Even if your gaffe-master embarrassing uncle says so. Facts are facts. One way Biden represents me is how the very freaking things Ryan is saying aren't even to be taken seriously, any more than Romney's ever shifting non-platform.


And, seriously, USA Today is now 'left wing?' For fact-checking? Really?
Kos, not necessarily USA Today, although it is a rag. Fellow red stater, lol
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And, seriously, USA Today is now 'left wing?' For fact-checking? Really?
You know that anything that comes close to being reality based is "left wing" now.


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