Originally posted by seacapt So we have 47 replies but nobody has directly addressed JKratzer's original point or either of his links.
I especialy like this from the WSJ article.......
[B][I]Books will be written about what happened, but early on the president made two terrible legislative decisions. The stimulus bill was a political disaster, and it wasn't the cost, it was the content. We were in crisis, losing jobs. People would have accepted high spending if it looked promising. But the stimulus was the same old same old, pure pork aimed at reliable constituencies. It would course through the economy with little effect. And it would not receive a single Republican vote in the House (three in the Senate), which was bad for Washington, bad for our politics. It was a catastrophic victory. It did say there was a new boss in town. But it also said the new boss was out of his league.
ACTUALLY the unwritten story, and the one barely touched upon was the stimulus was done the way it was done
(unfortunately it was known to be not totally correct) was because it was the only pathway that could be done "immediately" w/ consensus of Congress... The CORRECT stimulus would have taken months if not years to pass (this is fairly bi-partisan)............................
The economy (i.e. banks) had to be fixed right away..
AND much of it was built on the Bust head start......
It was a patch.. that stopped the bleeding.
Originally posted by seacapt Then health care, a mistake beginning to end. The president's 14-month-long preoccupation with ObamaCare signaled that he did not share the urgency of people's most immediate concerns—jobs, the economy, all the coming fiscal cliffs. The famous 2,000-page bill added to their misery by adding to their fear
The healthcare bill had to be passed at this time.. or reform would have never ever ever been considered again ... see the generation track record. Biggest mistake was taking out the public option (well Medicare for all would have been the correct way) but THIS would have never gotten through congress, then and certainly not now..
There was "failure" due to compromise.. but the premise.. something must be done, fix errors later.. was sound in my mind
IF the propaganda machine didn't take over there would have been a LOT LESS fear of ANYTHING.. Face it you refuse to see culpability in "those guys" .......... which is blinding you to the correct reasoning.. I read it in all your threads.. Fear is an easy sell w/ an "unknown"........
THINK about it.. if conservatives had given even a teeny tiny bit of credibility to "Romneycare" (or call it the Gingrich/Heritage Foundation plan if you like) the fear factor would have been greatly reduced.. Reducing it even farther would be the absence of birther garbage, religious garbage .(Obama is a Muslim) and social garbage (left wing socialist which is NOT even CLOSE to being the truth) funny how they say Obamacare is a "giveaway" to big ins... what "socialist" would support THAT idea.. THINK
The fear was spread by the right based on its hate of Obama.. and the fact that NOTHING is perfect gives only a tiny bit of credibility to the arguement.
The right sowed fear and dissent like a "pet rock"...........
As to writing books.. maybe you should read one first..........
http://startingpoint.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/15/new-book-traces-the-history-of...n-the-economy/ Quote: A recent report from the credit rating agency "Fitch" says the stimulus helped prevent the recession from becoming a depression, but it's critics on the campaign trail maintain that the package has not worked to improve the economy.
Isn't STOPPING a depression a pretty darn good starting point??? do you hear this much..
"SURE it stopped us from the soup lines but it hasn't helped me to be able to buy a new boat"
http://startingpoint.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/15/new-book-traces-the-history-of...n-the-economy/
Last edited by jeffkrol; 11-06-2012 at 06:23 AM.