Election results - status quo

debmalya · 11-07-2012, 06:09 AM

Obama is re-elected !!!

Congress goes to Red party

seacapt · 11-07-2012, 06:37 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by debmalya

Obama is re-elected !!!

Congress goes to Red party

And US small businesses will continue dropping like flies in a freezer. Good for the bankruptcy lawyers though.

GeneV · 11-07-2012, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by debmalya

Congress goes to Red party

Actually, it went a bit less red. Dems gained three senate seats, mostly from the Tea Party types who ousted traditional Republicans. The most extreme Tea Partiers also had a good deal of difficulty holding house seats outside the solid red parts of the south. Michelle Bachmann outspent her opponent 12 to 1 to retain her seat by a very narrow margin. Allan West's seat is still undecided. Joe Walsh is history.

There is a message here to the current Tea Party f/k/a Religious Right: You are a drag on the GOP outside the corridor from Texas eastward. Mitt Romney tacked toward the Tea for the Primary, and before the first debate, he was in a free fall, with Republicans running away from him outside the south. In the first debate, he makes a sharp turn left, to face the middle, and he gains enough ground to make this seem like a competitive race. The GOP should pay attention.

GeneV · 11-07-2012, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by seacapt

And US small businesses will continue dropping like flies in a freezer. Good for the bankruptcy lawyers though.

GW Bush was the hero of the Bankruptcy bar. 2008 was a gift that gave for years.

Quote:

The number of U.S. businesses and consumers filing for bankruptcy fell 14 percent in the first half of 2012 and could end the year at the lowest level since before the 2008 financial crisis, according to data released on Thursday.

New bankruptcy filings fell to 632,130 in the first six months of the year compared to the same period last year, according to Epiq Systems Inc, which manages documents and claims for companies in bankruptcy.

The number of businesses filing for bankruptcy dropped 22 percent to 30,946 and the number of consumers seeking court protection from creditors fell 13 percent to 601,184.

U.S. bankruptcies on pace to fall to pre-2008 level | Reuters

Nesster · 11-07-2012, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by GeneV

There is a message here to the current Tea Party f/k/a Religious Right: You are a drag on the GOP outside the corridor from Texas eastward. Mitt Romney tacked toward the Tea for the Primary, and before the first debate, he was in a free fall, with Republicans running away from him outside the south. In the first debate, he makes a sharp turn left, to face the middle, and he gains enough ground to make this seem like a competitive race. The GOP should pay attention.

Funny enough, the Republican talking heads this morning are pretty much going the opposite way -- seems like they were oblivious to why Romney surged after the first debate. Also, Republican polling turned out to be inaccurate, seems like they were being selective about just who the 'likely voters' are. Hmmm, sort of like how communication up and down the chain works in large corporations: you have to give the boss the info he wants (as opposed to info he needs) in order to keep your job...

seacapt · 11-07-2012, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by GeneV

GW Bush was the hero of the Bankruptcy bar. 2008 was a gift that gave for years.

U.S. bankruptcies on pace to fall to pre-2008 level | Reuters

Gene , the only reason those numbers dropped is because so many have already gone under.
Of course there will be lower numbers when there is a smaller group of possibillities.

GeneV · 11-07-2012, 07:42 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by seacapt

Gene , the only reason those numbers dropped is because so many have already gone under.
Of course there will be lower numbers when there is a smaller group of possibillities.

Ken, I think you vastly underestimate the number of possibilities. There are about 30 million small businesses. We are seeing about 0.1% of them go bankrupt, and that does not significantly change the pool.

GeneV · 11-07-2012, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by Nesster

Funny enough, the Republican talking heads this morning are pretty much going the opposite way -- seems like they were oblivious to why Romney surged after the first debate. Also, Republican polling turned out to be inaccurate, seems like they were being selective about just who the 'likely voters' are. Hmmm, sort of like how communication up and down the chain works in large corporations: you have to give the boss the info he wants (as opposed to info he needs) in order to keep your job...

I'm seeing that claim made elsewhere as well. The far right has become faith-based in so many aspects. If you lose, it was because you were not committed enough to the faith. It seems to me that if Romney could have gotten through the GOP primary as a Massachusetts moderate, he would have won in a walk. His momentum as a reborn, even suspicious, moderate was amazing,.

wpvv · 11-07-2012, 10:50 AM

Jesus never meant to make Faith big business. I always feel rather disgusted when big business and christianity are linked.

As someone from outside America I can only hope that all politicians and their followers will work together for the common good of the people of the USA, whether you believe the state has a larger or a smaller role in that. Only thinking about the other in terms of enemies will do no one good.

Tom S. · 11-07-2012, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by seacapt

And US small businesses will continue dropping like flies in a freezer. Good for the bankruptcy lawyers though.

I can't get too worked up over that. After all, both large and small businesses sat idly by while millions of jobs were shipped over seas. Who did business (both large and small) think were going to buy their products and services when everyone else lost their jobs?

Blue · 11-07-2012, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by GeneV

Actually, it went a bit less red. Dems gained three senate seats, mostly from the Tea Party types who ousted traditional Republicans. The most extreme Tea Partiers also had a good deal of difficulty holding house seats outside the solid red parts of the south. Michelle Bachmann outspent her opponent 12 to 1 to retain her seat by a very narrow margin. Allan West's seat is still undecided. Joe Walsh is history.

There is a message here to the current Tea Party f/k/a Religious Right: You are a drag on the GOP outside the corridor from Texas eastward. Mitt Romney tacked toward the Tea for the Primary, and before the first debate, he was in a free fall, with Republicans running away from him outside the south. In the first debate, he makes a sharp turn left, to face the middle, and he gains enough ground to make this seem like a competitive race. The GOP should pay attention.

Actually, Allen West was in a super blue zone in south Florida and he didn't get in there by ousting a traditional Repub. Plus, the congressman here (Stutherland) got in in 2010 by beating the Blue Dog Allen Boyd and he won re-election by defeating the the life politician Al Lawson in the only heavily blue section of the Florida panhandle.

GeneV · 11-07-2012, 06:04 PM

Interesting point, that even many of the seats that stayed in Dem. hands were moves to the left, since many of the Dems replacing Dems are to the left of their predecessor. Why having a more liberal Senate will matter - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

Parallax · 11-07-2012, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by wpvv

As someone from outside America I can only hope that all politicians and their followers will work together for the common good of the people of the USA.

You don't have to be asleep to dream, do ya?

magkelly · 11-07-2012, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by wpvv

Jesus never meant to make Faith big business. I always feel rather disgusted when big business and christianity are linked.

As someone from outside America I can only hope that all politicians and their followers will work together for the common good of the people of the USA, whether you believe the state has a larger or a smaller role in that. Only thinking about the other in terms of enemies will do no one good.

When their Christian hell freezes over probably no matter how much they like to protest otherwise. I don't dislike people having a religion but in this country lately it's gotten really annoying the degree to which religion and politics are mixing, I do agree.

wpvv · 11-08-2012, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

You don't have to be asleep to dream, do ya?

Was Martin Luther King sleeping?

I really find it hard to believe how polarized and angry American people are towards each other, at least when it comes to politics. It is fine to disagree about policies, but the level of name-calling, framing and utter gutter nonsense is hard to believe.

What about a tea-pot party? Legalising pot, and combine that with the hallucinations on the right side of the spectrum?

11-07-2012, 06:09 AM	#1
debmalya Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: NJ USA Photos: Albums Posts: 209	Election results - status quo Obama is re-elected !!! Congress goes to Red party

11-07-2012, 10:16 PM	#14
magkelly Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,901	Originally posted by wpvv Jesus never meant to make Faith big business. I always feel rather disgusted when big business and christianity are linked. As someone from outside America I can only hope that all politicians and their followers will work together for the common good of the people of the USA, whether you believe the state has a larger or a smaller role in that. Only thinking about the other in terms of enemies will do no one good. When their Christian hell freezes over probably no matter how much they like to protest otherwise. I don't dislike people having a religion but in this country lately it's gotten really annoying the degree to which religion and politics are mixing, I do agree. Last edited by magkelly; 11-07-2012 at 10:25 PM.

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11-07-2012, 06:37 AM - 1 Like	#2
seacapt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: North Carolina , USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,271	Originally posted by debmalya Obama is re-elected !!! Congress goes to Red party And US small businesses will continue dropping like flies in a freezer. Good for the bankruptcy lawyers though.

11-07-2012, 06:46 AM	#3
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by debmalya Congress goes to Red party Actually, it went a bit less red. Dems gained three senate seats, mostly from the Tea Party types who ousted traditional Republicans. The most extreme Tea Partiers also had a good deal of difficulty holding house seats outside the solid red parts of the south. Michelle Bachmann outspent her opponent 12 to 1 to retain her seat by a very narrow margin. Allan West's seat is still undecided. Joe Walsh is history. There is a message here to the current Tea Party f/k/a Religious Right: You are a drag on the GOP outside the corridor from Texas eastward. Mitt Romney tacked toward the Tea for the Primary, and before the first debate, he was in a free fall, with Republicans running away from him outside the south. In the first debate, he makes a sharp turn left, to face the middle, and he gains enough ground to make this seem like a competitive race. The GOP should pay attention.

11-07-2012, 06:51 AM	#4
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by seacapt And US small businesses will continue dropping like flies in a freezer. Good for the bankruptcy lawyers though. GW Bush was the hero of the Bankruptcy bar. 2008 was a gift that gave for years. Quote: The number of U.S. businesses and consumers filing for bankruptcy fell 14 percent in the first half of 2012 and could end the year at the lowest level since before the 2008 financial crisis, according to data released on Thursday. New bankruptcy filings fell to 632,130 in the first six months of the year compared to the same period last year, according to Epiq Systems Inc, which manages documents and claims for companies in bankruptcy. The number of businesses filing for bankruptcy dropped 22 percent to 30,946 and the number of consumers seeking court protection from creditors fell 13 percent to 601,184. U.S. bankruptcies on pace to fall to pre-2008 level \| Reuters

11-07-2012, 07:04 AM	#5
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	Originally posted by GeneV There is a message here to the current Tea Party f/k/a Religious Right: You are a drag on the GOP outside the corridor from Texas eastward. Mitt Romney tacked toward the Tea for the Primary, and before the first debate, he was in a free fall, with Republicans running away from him outside the south. In the first debate, he makes a sharp turn left, to face the middle, and he gains enough ground to make this seem like a competitive race. The GOP should pay attention. Funny enough, the Republican talking heads this morning are pretty much going the opposite way -- seems like they were oblivious to why Romney surged after the first debate. Also, Republican polling turned out to be inaccurate, seems like they were being selective about just who the 'likely voters' are. Hmmm, sort of like how communication up and down the chain works in large corporations: you have to give the boss the info he wants (as opposed to info he needs) in order to keep your job...

11-07-2012, 07:30 AM	#6
seacapt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: North Carolina , USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,271	Originally posted by GeneV GW Bush was the hero of the Bankruptcy bar. 2008 was a gift that gave for years. U.S. bankruptcies on pace to fall to pre-2008 level \| Reuters Gene , the only reason those numbers dropped is because so many have already gone under. Of course there will be lower numbers when there is a smaller group of possibillities.

11-07-2012, 07:42 AM - 1 Like	#7
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by seacapt Gene , the only reason those numbers dropped is because so many have already gone under. Of course there will be lower numbers when there is a smaller group of possibillities. Ken, I think you vastly underestimate the number of possibilities. There are about 30 million small businesses. We are seeing about 0.1% of them go bankrupt, and that does not significantly change the pool.

11-07-2012, 07:48 AM	#8
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by Nesster Funny enough, the Republican talking heads this morning are pretty much going the opposite way -- seems like they were oblivious to why Romney surged after the first debate. Also, Republican polling turned out to be inaccurate, seems like they were being selective about just who the 'likely voters' are. Hmmm, sort of like how communication up and down the chain works in large corporations: you have to give the boss the info he wants (as opposed to info he needs) in order to keep your job... I'm seeing that claim made elsewhere as well. The far right has become faith-based in so many aspects. If you lose, it was because you were not committed enough to the faith. It seems to me that if Romney could have gotten through the GOP primary as a Massachusetts moderate, he would have won in a walk. His momentum as a reborn, even suspicious, moderate was amazing,.

11-07-2012, 10:50 AM	#9
wpvv Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 251	Jesus never meant to make Faith big business. I always feel rather disgusted when big business and christianity are linked. As someone from outside America I can only hope that all politicians and their followers will work together for the common good of the people of the USA, whether you believe the state has a larger or a smaller role in that. Only thinking about the other in terms of enemies will do no one good.

11-07-2012, 12:27 PM	#10
Tom S. Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Photos: Albums Posts: 4,317	Originally posted by seacapt And US small businesses will continue dropping like flies in a freezer. Good for the bankruptcy lawyers though. I can't get too worked up over that. After all, both large and small businesses sat idly by while millions of jobs were shipped over seas. Who did business (both large and small) think were going to buy their products and services when everyone else lost their jobs?

11-07-2012, 12:32 PM	#11
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by GeneV Actually, it went a bit less red. Dems gained three senate seats, mostly from the Tea Party types who ousted traditional Republicans. The most extreme Tea Partiers also had a good deal of difficulty holding house seats outside the solid red parts of the south. Michelle Bachmann outspent her opponent 12 to 1 to retain her seat by a very narrow margin. Allan West's seat is still undecided. Joe Walsh is history. There is a message here to the current Tea Party f/k/a Religious Right: You are a drag on the GOP outside the corridor from Texas eastward. Mitt Romney tacked toward the Tea for the Primary, and before the first debate, he was in a free fall, with Republicans running away from him outside the south. In the first debate, he makes a sharp turn left, to face the middle, and he gains enough ground to make this seem like a competitive race. The GOP should pay attention. Actually, Allen West was in a super blue zone in south Florida and he didn't get in there by ousting a traditional Repub. Plus, the congressman here (Stutherland) got in in 2010 by beating the Blue Dog Allen Boyd and he won re-election by defeating the the life politician Al Lawson in the only heavily blue section of the Florida panhandle.

11-07-2012, 06:04 PM	#12
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Interesting point, that even many of the seats that stayed in Dem. hands were moves to the left, since many of the Dems replacing Dems are to the left of their predecessor. Why having a more liberal Senate will matter - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

11-07-2012, 08:58 PM	#13
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Originally posted by wpvv As someone from outside America I can only hope that all politicians and their followers will work together for the common good of the people of the USA. You don't have to be asleep to dream, do ya?

11-08-2012, 12:33 AM	#15
wpvv Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 251	Originally posted by Parallax You don't have to be asleep to dream, do ya? Was Martin Luther King sleeping? I really find it hard to believe how polarized and angry American people are towards each other, at least when it comes to politics. It is fine to disagree about policies, but the level of name-calling, framing and utter gutter nonsense is hard to believe. What about a tea-pot party? Legalising pot, and combine that with the hallucinations on the right side of the spectrum?