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11-28-2012, 06:28 PM   #1
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War on Christmas?

Seems in Rhode Island it's now a "Holiday" tree. You can express your faith in any religion in the US. Unless of course you're Christian.

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A Rhode Island lawmaker is calling Gov. Lincoln Chafee “Governor Grinch” after he defied lawmakers and decided that the state would have a “holiday tree” instead of a “Christmas tree.”


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Should we call it a "Mohammad tree" and see what happens????
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Yeah... those poor oppressed "Christians".










If only there were some way they could "express their faith".
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Don’t fight the War on Christmas; it’s already been lost – Dick Hughes' Blog

And once again comes the annual ritual … the War on Christmas.

No, government isn’t waging a war on Christmas. The American people already have. And, unfortunately, they’ve won.

Were we to rewind the time machine, we would be reminded that Christmas is about neither Christmas trees nor holiday trees. Nor is it about how many baubles can be purchased at bargain prices or how many festive decorations can adorn a home or how many times the cash register will ring. Stripped to its essence, Christmas is the gift of God’s Son to the world.

It is dangerous to imply what Jesus might think if he were walking the streets today. But may I humbly suggest that he wouldn’t care one whit whether decorated Douglas firs were called Christmas trees or holiday trees. He might, however, have a few words about those who sought to profit by keeping that false controversy alive.

He likely would question how one of the richest nations in the world could allow so many people to remain hungry and homeless. He probably would grieve that humankind has achieved centuries of technological advances yet remains unable to conquer the traits — ambition, envy, greed, mistrust and the like — that rend families and breed conflict.


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QuoteOriginally posted by graphicgr8s Quote
Seems in Rhode Island it's now a "Holiday" tree. You can express your faith in any religion in the US. Unless of course you're Christian.

Oh, get over the persecution complex. You act like it's a 'war' on you if people *don't* label everything with your Christ and Commandments to the exclusion of all others, and then wonder why people don't think it's such a festive and friendly thing to say anymore.

You act like liberals are attacking your religion if employees at Wal-mart aren't *forced* to 'put the Christ in Christmas' every time they greet someone.


You act like it's an 'attack' on you if anyone says *anything else.* Including 'Happy Holidays.* (Which was apparently quite all right when Christians thought it just meant Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Boxing Day, and New Years, ... that's Holidays, plural: any hint of *pluralism* and you want the very merry One True And Only Holiday Enforced By Law Or Else.) ...you've got all these dittoheads out there saying Merry *Christ*mas with that sneering way preachers say, 'Homo*sext*uals' to show contempt for others,


...they'd have *conniptions* if they realized 'Blessed Yule' was something Pagans say, probably.

Say their 'Religious Freedom' is under attack if they can't mark the whole country as theirs and only theirs *or else,*


...And wonder why people ain't feeling the 'Merry.'
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It's becoming a Fox News tradition like fruitcake
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Fruitcakes are never in short supply on Fox News.
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The "war" on christmas has been lost. The pure fundamental ideals of christmas is the celebration of Jesus and his coming into the world. I will admit right here and now that I'm not a christian, but I have studied much of the christian faith in depth. From what I understand, Islamic teachings of Jesus put it best: Jesus was the prophet of Love. In his teachings, the main point he was trying to make was that we should all accept one another in love and peace. I hear the songs of the season, some of which praise him as a prince of peace and preaching ideals of goodwill towards all peoples.
Quite honestly, the "war" on christmas was lost the moment people decided to hate one another for something utterly stupid. IMO, those who thump on their (rarely and inccorectly read) bibles are the reason as to why the "war" was lost. Why is it that there must be so much hate directed towards so many others due to difference in opinion? In a sense, by making a holiday tree, RI did a great job in trying to welcome others outside of the christian community; all they did was spread the love. Is it so wrong to promote universal goodwill to others despite their differences? When will the hyper-religious understand that Jesus didn't teach people to hate homosexuals and other groups, that he didn't praise those who showed violence and hatred. The dude told his followers to turn the other cheek when struck by an enemy, the give to those in need, to reach out to all peoples despite differences in beliefs and lifestyles.
In the story of the good Samaritan, the man who was attacked was ignored by holy men, the people he shared a faith with. He was rescued selflessly by a Samaritan, the "enemy". Are "christians" today willing to do the same thing? To help and love others despite differences in beliefs? From what I've seen in this country, this is a no. Today's christians are the same as the men who ignored the Samaritan. Some christians today are the same as Pharisees who chanted gleefully for the execution of Jesus. They hated people who were different, who believed only in love.
I'm sorry for the rant, but it just frustrates me. There simply isn't enough love in this country and some of the worse offenders I've seen are sadly the ones who say they follow Love's greatest teacher.

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QuoteOriginally posted by graphicgr8s Quote
Seems in Rhode Island it's now a "Holiday" tree. You can express your faith in any religion in the US. Unless of course you're Christian.
You are right about the renaming. No one should be deprived of a Yule tree. Let's not slight Odin.
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QuoteOriginally posted by graphicgr8s Quote
Seems in Rhode Island it's now a "Holiday" tree. You can express your faith in any religion in the US. Unless of course you're Christian.
We have been for at least the last 50 years an essentially secular culture. Very few people in a State like Rhode Island really gives a damn one way or other anymore. Live with it.

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The Christmas/holiday tree, like everything about Christmas, is of course Pagan in origin, co-opted by the Catholic church in order to draw in the rubes.

Is it unkind to point out that the modern Republican party is using the same tactics?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nesster Quote
The Christmas/holiday tree, like everything about Christmas, is of course Pagan in origin, co-opted by the Catholic church in order to draw in the rubes.

Is it unkind to point out that the modern Republican party is using the same tactics?

Bring back the "Saturnalia tree"!!!!!!!................ I'm oppressed!!!!!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nesster Quote
everything about Christmas, is of course Pagan in origin, co-opted by the Catholic church in order to draw in the rubes.
Not unkind, simply history.

Even the title of this thread is offensive to me, the war on Christmas. Such casual use of the word war is revolting and sadly very common in the USA.
The war on this that and the other, NASCAR racing seems to always be the battle for the lead, Should the USA bomb Iceland, it's so ingrained I expect few even notice.
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Not unkind, simply history.

Even the title of this thread is offensive to me, the war on Christmas. Such casual use of the word war is revolting and sadly very common in the USA.
The war on this that and the other, NASCAR racing seems to always be the battle for the lead, Should the USA bomb Iceland, it's so ingrained I expect few even notice.
And don't forget football, where the terminology is very militaristic.

But, the War on Christmas obviously is far less draconian than the War on Drugs, the War on Terrorism, and the like. For one, Obama doesn't even have a Czar of War on Christmas. Nor has he implemented automatic prison sentences for people celebrating Christmas, or wishing someone Merry Christmas. And as far as we know, there aren't drones hunting down known Christians. Thank the Judeo-Christian God for that, and the Republican majority in the House.

But we know all about the Slippery Slope / Domino Theory. These are historically proven things, after all. These justify the War on Anti-Christmas Terroristic "Holiday" greetings and "Holiday" trees. Because first they came for our trees and cards, then they came for the Christians. (First they came for our assault weapons, then they came for our hunting rifles and personal safety side arms...)

By the way, the beloved Charlie Brown christmas tree is anti-American and Socialist. This left wing propaganda should be banned from TV.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jeffkrol Quote
Bring back the "Saturnalia tree"!!!!!!!................ I'm oppressed!!!!!
Wrong pagans. Really, it would be the Saturnalia GIFTS. The gifts were Roman, but I think the tree was more German.
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