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GeneV · 12-21-2012, 07:00 PM

Wow, look what happened while I took a break.

It has been a pleasure.

It might also be my last post on the board and last dollar donated. I'm thinking this over. It is very disappointing. I would have been happy to take a turn at moderating if deleting the nasties was a problem.

Last edited by GeneV; 12-21-2012 at 07:09 PM.

**Ash** · 12-21-2012, 07:14 PM

Gene,
As a matter of interest, why would P&R closure prompt you to leave for forum? What is your motivation for donation?
If photography matters to you, would you not contribute to the photography subfora rather than make the P&R forum the reason why you are a PF member?

GeneV · 12-21-2012, 07:25 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Ash

Gene,
As a matter of interest, why would P&R closure prompt you to leave for forum? What is your motivation for donation?
If photography matters to you, would you not contribute to the photography subfora?

Frankly, I feel a little betrayed as a long-time participant who has worked hard to stay within the rules and has enjoyed that the rules were mostly followed over the years. I was at least consulted on a wine forum which considered and then dropped the same proposal after some conversation with the participants. The decision there was to focus on the troublemaker.

I found it unique, special and productive that this board allowed members to converse on all topics. It made it a special place. We got to know each other more fully. It has been true in boards about other subjects which have political threads. Believe it or not,over the years, I have had far more enlightening conversations about politics outside of a forum devoted to politics. Political-only fora are far less civil than this one. The photography side can get a little stale, too, with the same tired arguments about FF, SDM and the lack of a VF in the K-01, among other repeat topics. Time is limited. Having both here also makes it one stop where an interesting discussion in either realm can be found.

gokenin · 12-21-2012, 07:33 PM

i cant talk for Gene but i can tell you that one reason that i am questioning my continued support of the forum is that i dont feel that as somoene that is supporting the this website even in a small way that my desires are being heard at all. i know that i am not a mod or anything like that but i would have felt the people that are site supporters could have at least been notified about the section being closed and even asked for their opinions about it. i have to say to me it just left me with a sense of we have no say in it even if we contribute money its decided by a small group of people without a larger sense of input from the forum as a whole and that has made me rethink continued support. i dont have to financially support the site to be a lurker after all. I felt that since i was an active posting member that i should support the forum but as i have said before the vast majority of my posts have been in the P&R section of this forum

graphicgr8s · 12-21-2012, 07:41 PM

Have to admit I feel the same way. Although I am not a site supporter on this go round when I was here originally I was. Most of my posts back then were in other parts of the forum and not P&R Don't get me wrong. I made plenty of posts here but even more in other parts. Especially post processing since that's what I do for a living. This part is one of the things that set this entire forum above the rest out there.

GeneV · 12-21-2012, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by gokenin

i cant talk for Gene but i can tell you that one reason that i am questioning my continued support of the forum is that i dont feel that as somoene that is supporting the this website even in a small way that my desires are being heard at all. i know that i am not a mod or anything like that but i would have felt the people that are site supporters could have at least been notified about the section being closed and even asked for their opinions about it. i have to say to me it just left me with a sense of we have no say in it even if we contribute money its decided by a small group of people without a larger sense of input from the forum as a whole and that has made me rethink continued support. i dont have to financially support the site to be a lurker after all. I felt that since i was an active posting member that i should support the forum but as i have said before the vast majority of my posts have been in the P&R section of this forum

Jon, I think that expresses some of my feeling as well. Funny that we agree most closely on something pertaining to the forum closing.

To both you and George, it has been enlightening and pleasant, even if we disagree.

graphicgr8s · 12-21-2012, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by GeneV

Jon, I think that expresses some of my feeling as well. Funny that we agree most closely on something pertaining to the forum closing.

To both you and George, it has been enlightening and pleasant, even if we disagree.

Gene, if we all agreed what would we learn?

It has been a privilege and an honor

GeneV · 12-21-2012, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by graphicgr8s

Gene, if we all agreed what would we learn?

It has been a privilege and an honor

Absolutely.

**Ex Finn.** · 12-21-2012, 08:28 PM

Good riddens. Clean up the mess and use the resulting bandwidth for more pictures.

edit:"It's riddance". Thanks for that graphicgr8s, the semi-useless spell-checker failed me.

Merry Christmas.

seacapt · 12-21-2012, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Ash

.
If there wasn't so much problematic stuff going on there it probably wouldn't have been voted on to go.

Now I regret turning down the offer to be a mod. Just out of curiosity what was the for / against vote total? No names please.
BTW is there anychance that with only hours left we can get this thread back on track?

graphicgr8s · 12-21-2012, 08:31 PM - **1 Like**

It's riddance

Just sayin'
Bless your heart

gokenin · 12-21-2012, 08:35 PM

I have to say it has been a pleasure getting to know everyone here and I will miss the interactions. Gene I think we have agreed on some other things before but admittedly not a heck of a lot

but our disagreements have always been civil.

graphicgr8s · 12-21-2012, 08:38 PM

Any one notice RML hasn't posted? I think I might miss her if she doesn't check in tonight.

GeneV · 12-21-2012, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by graphicgr8s

Any one notice RML hasn't posted? I think I might miss her if she doesn't check in tonight.

Like me, she probably had no idea. I would not have gotten into this thread if I weren't checking one time before driving back to Texas for the holidays.

seacapt · 12-21-2012, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by graphicgr8s

Any one notice RML hasn't posted? I think I might miss her if she doesn't check in tonight.

Well she does have a holliday going but I sincerely hope I didn't hurt her feelings a few days back.
Miss Rat know that I mean it when I say I've enjoyed talking to you.

12-21-2012, 07:25 PM - 1 Like	#48
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by Ash Gene, As a matter of interest, why would P&R closure prompt you to leave for forum? What is your motivation for donation? If photography matters to you, would you not contribute to the photography subfora? Frankly, I feel a little betrayed as a long-time participant who has worked hard to stay within the rules and has enjoyed that the rules were mostly followed over the years. I was at least consulted on a wine forum which considered and then dropped the same proposal after some conversation with the participants. The decision there was to focus on the troublemaker. I found it unique, special and productive that this board allowed members to converse on all topics. It made it a special place. We got to know each other more fully. It has been true in boards about other subjects which have political threads. Believe it or not,over the years, I have had far more enlightening conversations about politics outside of a forum devoted to politics. Political-only fora are far less civil than this one. The photography side can get a little stale, too, with the same tired arguments about FF, SDM and the lack of a VF in the K-01, among other repeat topics. Time is limited. Having both here also makes it one stop where an interesting discussion in either realm can be found. Last edited by GeneV; 12-21-2012 at 07:43 PM.

12-21-2012, 08:28 PM	#54
Ex Finn. Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Maryland. Espoo. Kouvola. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,975	Good riddens. Clean up the mess and use the resulting bandwidth for more pictures. edit:"It's riddance". Thanks for that graphicgr8s, the semi-useless spell-checker failed me. Merry Christmas. Last edited by Ex Finn.; 12-21-2012 at 08:42 PM.

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12-21-2012, 07:00 PM	#46
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Wow, look what happened while I took a break. It has been a pleasure. It might also be my last post on the board and last dollar donated. I'm thinking this over. It is very disappointing. I would have been happy to take a turn at moderating if deleting the nasties was a problem. Last edited by GeneV; 12-21-2012 at 07:09 PM.

12-21-2012, 07:14 PM	#47
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Gene, As a matter of interest, why would P&R closure prompt you to leave for forum? What is your motivation for donation? If photography matters to you, would you not contribute to the photography subfora rather than make the P&R forum the reason why you are a PF member?

12-21-2012, 07:33 PM	#49
gokenin Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lowell,ma Posts: 1,899	i cant talk for Gene but i can tell you that one reason that i am questioning my continued support of the forum is that i dont feel that as somoene that is supporting the this website even in a small way that my desires are being heard at all. i know that i am not a mod or anything like that but i would have felt the people that are site supporters could have at least been notified about the section being closed and even asked for their opinions about it. i have to say to me it just left me with a sense of we have no say in it even if we contribute money its decided by a small group of people without a larger sense of input from the forum as a whole and that has made me rethink continued support. i dont have to financially support the site to be a lurker after all. I felt that since i was an active posting member that i should support the forum but as i have said before the vast majority of my posts have been in the P&R section of this forum

12-21-2012, 07:41 PM	#50
graphicgr8s Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 229	Have to admit I feel the same way. Although I am not a site supporter on this go round when I was here originally I was. Most of my posts back then were in other parts of the forum and not P&R Don't get me wrong. I made plenty of posts here but even more in other parts. Especially post processing since that's what I do for a living. This part is one of the things that set this entire forum above the rest out there.

12-21-2012, 07:57 PM	#51
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by gokenin i cant talk for Gene but i can tell you that one reason that i am questioning my continued support of the forum is that i dont feel that as somoene that is supporting the this website even in a small way that my desires are being heard at all. i know that i am not a mod or anything like that but i would have felt the people that are site supporters could have at least been notified about the section being closed and even asked for their opinions about it. i have to say to me it just left me with a sense of we have no say in it even if we contribute money its decided by a small group of people without a larger sense of input from the forum as a whole and that has made me rethink continued support. i dont have to financially support the site to be a lurker after all. I felt that since i was an active posting member that i should support the forum but as i have said before the vast majority of my posts have been in the P&R section of this forum Jon, I think that expresses some of my feeling as well. Funny that we agree most closely on something pertaining to the forum closing. To both you and George, it has been enlightening and pleasant, even if we disagree.

12-21-2012, 08:02 PM	#52
graphicgr8s Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 229	Originally posted by GeneV Jon, I think that expresses some of my feeling as well. Funny that we agree most closely on something pertaining to the forum closing. To both you and George, it has been enlightening and pleasant, even if we disagree. Gene, if we all agreed what would we learn? It has been a privilege and an honor

12-21-2012, 08:15 PM	#53
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by graphicgr8s Gene, if we all agreed what would we learn? It has been a privilege and an honor Absolutely.

12-21-2012, 08:30 PM	#55
seacapt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: North Carolina , USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,271 Original Poster	Originally posted by Ash . If there wasn't so much problematic stuff going on there it probably wouldn't have been voted on to go. Now I regret turning down the offer to be a mod. Just out of curiosity what was the for / against vote total? No names please. BTW is there anychance that with only hours left we can get this thread back on track?

12-21-2012, 08:31 PM - 1 Like	#56
graphicgr8s Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 229	It's riddance Just sayin' Bless your heart

12-21-2012, 08:35 PM	#57
gokenin Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lowell,ma Posts: 1,899	I have to say it has been a pleasure getting to know everyone here and I will miss the interactions. Gene I think we have agreed on some other things before but admittedly not a heck of a lot but our disagreements have always been civil.

12-21-2012, 08:38 PM	#58
graphicgr8s Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 229	Any one notice RML hasn't posted? I think I might miss her if she doesn't check in tonight.

12-21-2012, 08:41 PM	#59
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by graphicgr8s Any one notice RML hasn't posted? I think I might miss her if she doesn't check in tonight. Like me, she probably had no idea. I would not have gotten into this thread if I weren't checking one time before driving back to Texas for the holidays.

12-21-2012, 08:43 PM	#60
seacapt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: North Carolina , USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,271 Original Poster	Originally posted by graphicgr8s Any one notice RML hasn't posted? I think I might miss her if she doesn't check in tonight. Well she does have a holliday going but I sincerely hope I didn't hurt her feelings a few days back. Miss Rat know that I mean it when I say I've enjoyed talking to you.

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