Windows 8 is so bad.......

Pentaxor · 12-26-2012, 08:35 AM

question is, does it uses the system resources more efficiently (physical RAM and VM) ? also if it eats up 50GB of disk space ?

**monochrome** · 12-26-2012, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by reeftool

Like it or not, tablets are here to stay and soon, the traditional laptop as we know it today will disappear. Keyboards aren't going to go away but touch screens are going to be everywhere.

I'm not so sure about the laptops until a tablet can do real projection dispaly and number crunching - even just simple data entry.. Second-career guy in my office who retired from HP has a case for his iPad that doubles as a real (if tiny) keyboard. He NEVER types on the screen and rarely touches it.

Right now a tablet is a bigger Twitter-checker.

Colbyt · 12-26-2012, 09:37 AM

I'm not sure it means anything or does it?

Newegg featured windows 7 in the main photo of their after Christmas email.

Docrwm · 12-26-2012, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by Colbyt

I'm not sure it means anything or does it?

Newegg featured windows 7 in the main photo of their after Christmas email.

I escalated my complaint about Win8 on my new desktop for the office and the response was - sorry, we're getting a lot of business complaints or they're simply requesting Win7 instead.

**sabarrett** · 12-28-2012, 06:27 PM

After using it since the developer preview, and installing it on my daughters laptop (she's 10), I really can't comprehend the issues. The desktop is still there. All the standard windows functions are there, albeit moved around in some cases, but pretty much every new version of windows has had this issue. Any software, hardware, and use cases I have thrown at 8 has worked just fine. I am getting accustomed to the modern UI or whatever they call it (I'll still use metro), as everything I need to know about is live and updated in one screen.

The other thing I like is that the main screen is useful, rather than a dumping ground for apps, shortcuts and files that no one knows what they are. I do computer service on the side and 80% of the systems I fix have their desktop FILLED with links that don't work, files they don't understand, shortcuts to multiple versions of software that don't exist OR files they do need that get deleted because people don't know how to save files, or where to save them. A simplification of the user interface is LONG overdue. People keep saying they are upset that the desktop is gone. I say GOOD RIDDANCE! Its long overdue, along with getting rid of over 20 YEARS of legacy support that does nothing but slow down the system and make it harder to implement a modern, secure architecture.

As far as businesses are concerned, I would think it would be a welcome addition, as instead of teaching people how to navigate multiple levels of menus to find an application, its right on the desktop, right in front of them. Implement a tile for the apps that the users are to use, and lock down everything else.

Let the arrows begin to fly...

Docrwm · 12-28-2012, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by sabarrett

After using it since the developer preview, and installing it on my daughters laptop (she's 10), I really can't comprehend the issues. The desktop is still there. All the standard windows functions are there, albeit moved around in some cases, but pretty much every new version of windows has had this issue. Any software, hardware, and use cases I have thrown at 8 has worked just fine. I am getting accustomed to the modern UI or whatever they call it (I'll still use metro), as everything I need to know about is live and updated in one screen.

The other thing I like is that the main screen is useful, rather than a dumping ground for apps, shortcuts and files that no one knows what they are. I do computer service on the side and 80% of the systems I fix have their desktop FILLED with links that don't work, files they don't understand, shortcuts to multiple versions of software that don't exist OR files they do need that get deleted because people don't know how to save files, or where to save them. A simplification of the user interface is LONG overdue. People keep saying they are upset that the desktop is gone. I say GOOD RIDDANCE! Its long overdue, along with getting rid of over 20 YEARS of legacy support that does nothing but slow down the system and make it harder to implement a modern, secure architecture.

As far as businesses are concerned, I would think it would be a welcome addition, as instead of teaching people how to navigate multiple levels of menus to find an application, its right on the desktop, right in front of them. Implement a tile for the apps that the users are to use, and lock down everything else.

Let the arrows begin to fly...

Glad you like it. As for businesses - look at their reactions, they're not buying it. Newegg has 8 for $29 but you can get a BNIB Win7 Premier for $99 or Business Premier for $149 (and a $25 discount this weekend). So, why? Because as I said the idea that its a social media consumption tool is NOT something as a business owner I want on my employees desktop. Nor do I like that they force streaming video to be there OR you can delete the entire App, no choice to simply hide it. As for streamlining the system - when has Microsoft EVER managed to do that in reality? They are the masters of bloated code.

Parallax · 12-28-2012, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Docrwm

As for streamlining the system - when has Microsoft EVER managed to do that in reality? They are the masters of bloated code.

One definition of an elephant is "a mouse designed by Microsoft".

mikeSF · 12-28-2012, 07:26 PM

I've been using Win 7 on my desktop and am very used to it.
We got two matching laptops for the kids for Xmas, both with win 8 and I swear I feel like a dumbass trying understand what this crap is.
Give me 7 any day.

Parallax · 12-28-2012, 08:24 PM

After reading this thread I decided to finally replace my nearly 7 year old XP machine that is slowly dying. I just ordered from the local shop a new one with i7 processor, 8GB ram, 240GB ssd primary drive, 1TB secondary, and Windows 7.

Docrwm · 12-29-2012, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

After reading this thread I decided to finally replace my nearly 7 year old XP machine that is slowly dying. I just ordered from the local shop a new one with i7 processor, 8GB ram, 240GB ssd primary drive, 1TB secondary, and Windows 7.

Sounds like a nice setup. The ssd drives are coming along nicely, I am test driving one as a back-up before I commit to having it as a primary myself. Win7 is a solid performer and will not tax your patience moving from the XP machine. I still have 2 netbooks running XP and they are fine machines but everything else has migrated to 7 and we're debating what new computers with Win7 we need to order soon as well.

ve2vfd · 12-29-2012, 12:37 PM

I'm in the market to upgrade one of my laptops and I tried a Win-8 laptop at the store... what a horrible mashup!

The sad thing is that there are fewer and fewer top end machines available with Win-7 in stores...

I guess it's time to start investigating Mac OS laptops... (I wish they weren't so bloody expensive!)

Pat

Parallax · 12-29-2012, 12:53 PM

Makes you wonder how much the Windows 8 developers were paid under the table by Mac, doesn't it?

**boriscleto** · 12-29-2012, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

Makes you wonder how much the Windows 8 developers were paid under the table by Mac, doesn't it?

M$ is more than capable of shooting themselves in the foot without any bribes from Apple. This is the guy in charge...

You Tube

You Tube

You Tube

You Tube

Docrwm · 12-29-2012, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

Makes you wonder how much the Windows 8 developers were paid under the table by Mac, doesn't it?

Microsoft has never needed anyone else to "contribute" to them messing up in spectacular ways. MS Vista. MS Millennium Edition. Each of their animated assistants - the paperclip, the dog, etc.

Alliecat · 01-03-2013, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by Docrwm

Microsoft has never needed anyone else to "contribute" to them messing up in spectacular ways. MS Vista. MS Millennium Edition. Each of their animated assistants - the paperclip, the dog, etc.

I really like the MS Word kitty

Originally posted by Parallax

They only get every other one right.XP - Still going strong
...7 - Slightly better than XP
...

We need a new home computer. Some of my work computers have 7 but others have XP. I'm wondering what you get when you buy something that has "Windows 7 with XP mode installed". If I could get a new puter that just carries on with XP, I'd probably be happy.

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12-26-2012, 08:35 AM	#31
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	question is, does it uses the system resources more efficiently (physical RAM and VM) ? also if it eats up 50GB of disk space ?

12-26-2012, 09:03 AM	#32
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by reeftool Like it or not, tablets are here to stay and soon, the traditional laptop as we know it today will disappear. Keyboards aren't going to go away but touch screens are going to be everywhere. I'm not so sure about the laptops until a tablet can do real projection dispaly and number crunching - even just simple data entry.. Second-career guy in my office who retired from HP has a case for his iPad that doubles as a real (if tiny) keyboard. He NEVER types on the screen and rarely touches it. Right now a tablet is a bigger Twitter-checker.

12-26-2012, 09:37 AM	#33
Colbyt Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Central Kentucky Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,418	I'm not sure it means anything or does it? Newegg featured windows 7 in the main photo of their after Christmas email.

12-26-2012, 10:16 AM	#34
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285 Original Poster	Originally posted by Colbyt I'm not sure it means anything or does it? Newegg featured windows 7 in the main photo of their after Christmas email. I escalated my complaint about Win8 on my new desktop for the office and the response was - sorry, we're getting a lot of business complaints or they're simply requesting Win7 instead.

12-28-2012, 06:27 PM	#35
sabarrett Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Michigan Photos: Gallery Posts: 270	After using it since the developer preview, and installing it on my daughters laptop (she's 10), I really can't comprehend the issues. The desktop is still there. All the standard windows functions are there, albeit moved around in some cases, but pretty much every new version of windows has had this issue. Any software, hardware, and use cases I have thrown at 8 has worked just fine. I am getting accustomed to the modern UI or whatever they call it (I'll still use metro), as everything I need to know about is live and updated in one screen. The other thing I like is that the main screen is useful, rather than a dumping ground for apps, shortcuts and files that no one knows what they are. I do computer service on the side and 80% of the systems I fix have their desktop FILLED with links that don't work, files they don't understand, shortcuts to multiple versions of software that don't exist OR files they do need that get deleted because people don't know how to save files, or where to save them. A simplification of the user interface is LONG overdue. People keep saying they are upset that the desktop is gone. I say GOOD RIDDANCE! Its long overdue, along with getting rid of over 20 YEARS of legacy support that does nothing but slow down the system and make it harder to implement a modern, secure architecture. As far as businesses are concerned, I would think it would be a welcome addition, as instead of teaching people how to navigate multiple levels of menus to find an application, its right on the desktop, right in front of them. Implement a tile for the apps that the users are to use, and lock down everything else. Let the arrows begin to fly...

12-28-2012, 06:53 PM	#36
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285 Original Poster	Originally posted by sabarrett After using it since the developer preview, and installing it on my daughters laptop (she's 10), I really can't comprehend the issues. The desktop is still there. All the standard windows functions are there, albeit moved around in some cases, but pretty much every new version of windows has had this issue. Any software, hardware, and use cases I have thrown at 8 has worked just fine. I am getting accustomed to the modern UI or whatever they call it (I'll still use metro), as everything I need to know about is live and updated in one screen. The other thing I like is that the main screen is useful, rather than a dumping ground for apps, shortcuts and files that no one knows what they are. I do computer service on the side and 80% of the systems I fix have their desktop FILLED with links that don't work, files they don't understand, shortcuts to multiple versions of software that don't exist OR files they do need that get deleted because people don't know how to save files, or where to save them. A simplification of the user interface is LONG overdue. People keep saying they are upset that the desktop is gone. I say GOOD RIDDANCE! Its long overdue, along with getting rid of over 20 YEARS of legacy support that does nothing but slow down the system and make it harder to implement a modern, secure architecture. As far as businesses are concerned, I would think it would be a welcome addition, as instead of teaching people how to navigate multiple levels of menus to find an application, its right on the desktop, right in front of them. Implement a tile for the apps that the users are to use, and lock down everything else. Let the arrows begin to fly... Glad you like it. As for businesses - look at their reactions, they're not buying it. Newegg has 8 for $29 but you can get a BNIB Win7 Premier for $99 or Business Premier for $149 (and a $25 discount this weekend). So, why? Because as I said the idea that its a social media consumption tool is NOT something as a business owner I want on my employees desktop. Nor do I like that they force streaming video to be there OR you can delete the entire App, no choice to simply hide it. As for streamlining the system - when has Microsoft EVER managed to do that in reality? They are the masters of bloated code.

12-28-2012, 07:11 PM	#37
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Originally posted by Docrwm As for streamlining the system - when has Microsoft EVER managed to do that in reality? They are the masters of bloated code. One definition of an elephant is "a mouse designed by Microsoft".

12-28-2012, 07:26 PM	#38
mikeSF Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Bay Area, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,622	I've been using Win 7 on my desktop and am very used to it. We got two matching laptops for the kids for Xmas, both with win 8 and I swear I feel like a dumbass trying understand what this crap is. Give me 7 any day.

12-28-2012, 08:24 PM	#39
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	After reading this thread I decided to finally replace my nearly 7 year old XP machine that is slowly dying. I just ordered from the local shop a new one with i7 processor, 8GB ram, 240GB ssd primary drive, 1TB secondary, and Windows 7.

12-29-2012, 05:10 AM	#40
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285 Original Poster	Originally posted by Parallax After reading this thread I decided to finally replace my nearly 7 year old XP machine that is slowly dying. I just ordered from the local shop a new one with i7 processor, 8GB ram, 240GB ssd primary drive, 1TB secondary, and Windows 7. Sounds like a nice setup. The ssd drives are coming along nicely, I am test driving one as a back-up before I commit to having it as a primary myself. Win7 is a solid performer and will not tax your patience moving from the XP machine. I still have 2 netbooks running XP and they are fine machines but everything else has migrated to 7 and we're debating what new computers with Win7 we need to order soon as well.

12-29-2012, 12:37 PM	#41
ve2vfd Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,433	I'm in the market to upgrade one of my laptops and I tried a Win-8 laptop at the store... what a horrible mashup! The sad thing is that there are fewer and fewer top end machines available with Win-7 in stores... I guess it's time to start investigating Mac OS laptops... (I wish they weren't so bloody expensive!) Pat

12-29-2012, 12:53 PM	#42
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,333	Makes you wonder how much the Windows 8 developers were paid under the table by Mac, doesn't it?

12-29-2012, 01:01 PM	#44
Docrwm Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Somewhere in the Southern US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,285 Original Poster	Originally posted by Parallax Makes you wonder how much the Windows 8 developers were paid under the table by Mac, doesn't it? Microsoft has never needed anyone else to "contribute" to them messing up in spectacular ways. MS Vista. MS Millennium Edition. Each of their animated assistants - the paperclip, the dog, etc.

01-03-2013, 12:55 AM	#45
Alliecat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: East of Everywhere, Canada Posts: 740	Originally posted by Docrwm Microsoft has never needed anyone else to "contribute" to them messing up in spectacular ways. MS Vista. MS Millennium Edition. Each of their animated assistants - the paperclip, the dog, etc. I really like the MS Word kitty Originally posted by Parallax They only get every other one right.XP - Still going strong ...7 - Slightly better than XP ... We need a new home computer. Some of my work computers have 7 but others have XP. I'm wondering what you get when you buy something that has "Windows 7 with XP mode installed". If I could get a new puter that just carries on with XP, I'd probably be happy.