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lammie200 · 09-28-2015, 08:50 PM

My guess is that the people caught up in using these cliches can't write very well. In my business email communications are a record of product delivery. If they are riddled with cliches of dubious understanding they become fodder for possible litigation. If conversations include these types of cliches then that mentality will likely filter into the written documentation. We have to avoid it. This is not to say that we don't have informalities in our conversations, but critical aspects need to be completely understood. Cliches don't really help.

**PJ1** · 09-28-2015, 08:50 PM - **1 Like**

Even Yoda says "It is it is what"

vonBaloney · 09-28-2015, 09:13 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Transit

my pet hate atm is the moronic 'do the math'...
mathematics has an s people !

Not in the US. ("Mathematics" does of course, but the word "maths" is generally not used.) Drives the Brits crazy, and apparently the Kiwis also...

Tom S. · 09-29-2015, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by vonBaloney

Not in the US. ("Mathematics" does of course, but the word "maths" is generally not used.) Drives the Brits crazy, and apparently the Kiwis also...

Indeed. Even universities list their classes as Math 101, Math 102, etc., and not Maths. As a side note, my spell check doesn't even recognize the word maths.

Transit · 09-29-2015, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Tom S.

Indeed. Even universities list their classes as Math 101, Math 102, etc., and not Maths. ....

They would, it's an Americanism

Rupert · 09-30-2015, 06:43 AM

Well, in Norm's defense, an associate may be an employee, but an employee may not always be an associate. I think the boss still has that option, and those that don't have lost control.

I've seen many instances where the boss was the dog wagged by the "associates" and it seldom results in good productivity. I ran a very successful business for 25 years, treated my employees with the respect they deserved...or didn't...and did what bosses do....kept order and maintained standards that would lead to a profit and satisfied customers that would return over and over. Far too many of those "associates" were mostly only interested in Fridays....pay day!

There are many ways to lead, but a boss must lead or he/she is just another "associate". I don't see many "associates" in the military.....and they seem to get the job done when allowed......that "when allowed" is when they are not stifled by "associates" from above.
I have a hard time visualizing Gen George Patton addressing his soldiers as "associates", but his being a great leader is undeniable. Respect from his men is legendary....and they won when called on to perform.

That's my view...others may vary with it.

Regards!

**ChrisPlatt** · 10-07-2015, 11:57 AM

According to Vincent McKenna (Bill Murray) in the movie St. Vincent
this phrase means “You’re screwed and you’re gonna stay screwed.”

http://jayruud.com/movie-review-st-vincent-by-theodore-melfi/

This is a film worth watching, and set in nearby Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn.

Chris

stormtech · 10-09-2015, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by Auzzie-Phoenix

Just another random rant. Had a manager at work who would completely brush everything off with that phrase. Seems everyone is saying it these days. It's annoying.

I guess you don't like my signature line then.....

Rupert · 10-09-2015, 10:09 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by stormtech

I guess you don't like my signature line then.....

To be completely honest Stan...it is what it is!

Regards!

vonBaloney · 10-09-2015, 10:35 AM

I actually like the phrase as a clever bit of English (and other tautologies, like in The Wire supercut I posted above). Seems absurd and meaningless, but actually says so much (in context). But you know a friend on facebook also recently posted the same thing about hating it.

I get the feeling it is being used often now in a work / office environment always in a negative way, but since I'm never in such environments I don't associate it with the negative connotation of dismissiveness and surrender as seems to be the case with others. I hate to have it ruined by the business-speak idiots running it into the ground...

Rupert · 10-09-2015, 10:54 AM

In High School there was a popular phrase that was heard everywhere......"Kiss a roo" I don't know what it meant or where it came from and neither did anyone else I knew...and I knew everyone. It was used in all sorts of ways.....positive, negative, a response for yes..or for no...didn't seem to matter.

Going to the party tonight? .."Kiss a roo!" Made no sense ......at least "it is what it is" can be comprehended...by most!

Regards!

stormtech · 10-09-2015, 10:55 AM - **1 Like**

The phrase is in my sig line for a reason. When I was younger I used to get very frustrated with things that would go wrong which would be out of my control - like vonBaloney says mostly were work related. So I adopted the phrase to help my own self preservation and sanity I guess - would look at all angles at which I could possibly change something, then if not, tell myself "it is what it is" and be able to move on to something more productive.

After getting sick and having to stop working (with all the associated complications) after being mad at the world at first, I finally calmed down, realized that there was nothing I could do about what befell my life (it is what it is) and was able to move on at least to the point where I can now concentrate more on what I CAN do imstead or what I CAN'T do.

**Kerrowdown** · 10-10-2015, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by Auzzie-Phoenix

"it is what it is"

It's always sounded such a negative phrase, there's no "can do" even hinted at within it.

Not a client keeper or winner at all.

**gaweidert** · 10-10-2015, 08:01 AM

Does it sound any better in Latin?

Is est quis is est

Rupert · 10-10-2015, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Kerrowdown

It's always sounded such a negative phrase, there's no "can do" even hinted at within it.

Not a client keeper or winner at all.

Maybe...but sometimes reality is harsh.

I'm generally in a positive attitude, but there are times when the fact is....."it is what it is". As Stan noted, once you realize that, you can find a path forward that supports a better outlook on the situation. Few ever recover from a bad situation or addiction without first coming face to face with the reality they face. It is not necessarily a sign of defeat, but a recognition of the situation.

I see it every morning when I shave and look in the mirror at a 17 year old trapped in a 70 year old body.....It is what it is!

Best Regards!

09-29-2015, 12:30 PM	#35
Transit Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Whanganui NZ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,624	Originally posted by Tom S. Indeed. Even universities list their classes as Math 101, Math 102, etc., and not Maths. .... They would, it's an Americanism Last edited by Transit; 10-07-2015 at 01:42 PM.

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09-28-2015, 08:50 PM	#31
lammie200 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: San Francisco Photos: Albums Posts: 1,033	My guess is that the people caught up in using these cliches can't write very well. In my business email communications are a record of product delivery. If they are riddled with cliches of dubious understanding they become fodder for possible litigation. If conversations include these types of cliches then that mentality will likely filter into the written documentation. We have to avoid it. This is not to say that we don't have informalities in our conversations, but critical aspects need to be completely understood. Cliches don't really help.

09-28-2015, 08:50 PM - 1 Like	#32
PJ1 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Toowoomba, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,487	Even Yoda says "It is it is what"

09-28-2015, 09:13 PM - 1 Like	#33
vonBaloney Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 6,029	Originally posted by Transit my pet hate atm is the moronic 'do the math'... mathematics has an s people ! Not in the US. ("Mathematics" does of course, but the word "maths" is generally not used.) Drives the Brits crazy, and apparently the Kiwis also...

09-29-2015, 02:48 AM	#34
Tom S. Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Photos: Albums Posts: 4,317	Originally posted by vonBaloney Not in the US. ("Mathematics" does of course, but the word "maths" is generally not used.) Drives the Brits crazy, and apparently the Kiwis also... Indeed. Even universities list their classes as Math 101, Math 102, etc., and not Maths. As a side note, my spell check doesn't even recognize the word maths.

09-30-2015, 06:43 AM	#36
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Well, in Norm's defense, an associate may be an employee, but an employee may not always be an associate. I think the boss still has that option, and those that don't have lost control. I've seen many instances where the boss was the dog wagged by the "associates" and it seldom results in good productivity. I ran a very successful business for 25 years, treated my employees with the respect they deserved...or didn't...and did what bosses do....kept order and maintained standards that would lead to a profit and satisfied customers that would return over and over. Far too many of those "associates" were mostly only interested in Fridays....pay day! There are many ways to lead, but a boss must lead or he/she is just another "associate". I don't see many "associates" in the military.....and they seem to get the job done when allowed......that "when allowed" is when they are not stifled by "associates" from above. I have a hard time visualizing Gen George Patton addressing his soldiers as "associates", but his being a great leader is undeniable. Respect from his men is legendary....and they won when called on to perform. That's my view...others may vary with it. Regards!

10-07-2015, 11:57 AM	#37
ChrisPlatt Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rockaway Beach NYC Posts: 7,702	According to Vincent McKenna (Bill Murray) in the movie St. Vincent this phrase means “You’re screwed and you’re gonna stay screwed.” http://jayruud.com/movie-review-st-vincent-by-theodore-melfi/ This is a film worth watching, and set in nearby Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn. Chris

10-09-2015, 06:59 AM	#38
stormtech Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: In the boonies (NW Penna) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,744	Originally posted by Auzzie-Phoenix Just another random rant. Had a manager at work who would completely brush everything off with that phrase. Seems everyone is saying it these days. It's annoying. I guess you don't like my signature line then.....

10-09-2015, 10:09 AM - 1 Like	#39
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by stormtech I guess you don't like my signature line then..... To be completely honest Stan...it is what it is! Regards!

10-09-2015, 10:35 AM	#40
vonBaloney Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 6,029	I actually like the phrase as a clever bit of English (and other tautologies, like in The Wire supercut I posted above). Seems absurd and meaningless, but actually says so much (in context). But you know a friend on facebook also recently posted the same thing about hating it. I get the feeling it is being used often now in a work / office environment always in a negative way, but since I'm never in such environments I don't associate it with the negative connotation of dismissiveness and surrender as seems to be the case with others. I hate to have it ruined by the business-speak idiots running it into the ground...

10-09-2015, 10:54 AM	#41
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	In High School there was a popular phrase that was heard everywhere......"Kiss a roo" I don't know what it meant or where it came from and neither did anyone else I knew...and I knew everyone. It was used in all sorts of ways.....positive, negative, a response for yes..or for no...didn't seem to matter. Going to the party tonight? .."Kiss a roo!" Made no sense ......at least "it is what it is" can be comprehended...by most! Regards!

10-09-2015, 10:55 AM - 1 Like	#42
stormtech Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: In the boonies (NW Penna) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,744	The phrase is in my sig line for a reason. When I was younger I used to get very frustrated with things that would go wrong which would be out of my control - like vonBaloney says mostly were work related. So I adopted the phrase to help my own self preservation and sanity I guess - would look at all angles at which I could possibly change something, then if not, tell myself "it is what it is" and be able to move on to something more productive. After getting sick and having to stop working (with all the associated complications) after being mad at the world at first, I finally calmed down, realized that there was nothing I could do about what befell my life (it is what it is) and was able to move on at least to the point where I can now concentrate more on what I CAN do imstead or what I CAN'T do.

10-10-2015, 07:50 AM	#43
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,867	Originally posted by Auzzie-Phoenix "it is what it is" It's always sounded such a negative phrase, there's no "can do" even hinted at within it. Not a client keeper or winner at all.

10-10-2015, 08:01 AM	#44
gaweidert Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,327	Does it sound any better in Latin? Is est quis is est

10-10-2015, 11:07 AM	#45
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by Kerrowdown It's always sounded such a negative phrase, there's no "can do" even hinted at within it. Not a client keeper or winner at all. Maybe...but sometimes reality is harsh. I'm generally in a positive attitude, but there are times when the fact is....."it is what it is". As Stan noted, once you realize that, you can find a path forward that supports a better outlook on the situation. Few ever recover from a bad situation or addiction without first coming face to face with the reality they face. It is not necessarily a sign of defeat, but a recognition of the situation. I see it every morning when I shave and look in the mirror at a 17 year old trapped in a 70 year old body.....It is what it is! Best Regards!

I hate the phrase "it is what it is".

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