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**clackers** · 12-22-2015, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Murfy

The very reason I didn't like the 3 movies with jar jar binks and whatever is because I felt it lost that campy feel.

Jar Jar was, um, pretty camp!

"Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

lesmore49 · 12-22-2015, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by Rupert

You are not alone...I've never seen a one and have no interest in any of them, personally. On the other hand I have seen The Good Bad and Ugly at least 50 times.

Regards!

Glad I'm not alone.

I've seen every Dirty Harry, I don't know how many times. Have the deluxe DVD set for the series...also like '40's and '50's Film Noire movies.

Two of my all time favourite movies are Bullit and North by Northwest.

Les

pathdoc · 12-23-2015, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by Murfy

I like both movies, but I do believe star wars was marketed to kids

Star Wars, if I recall one of the making-of documentaries that were almost as popular as the films, was a homage to all the Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers-type Saturday Afternoon matinees of the silver-screen era. So by no means was it ever supposed to be in the same league as 2001, which (as a film, not so much as a novel) was an exercise in minimalist storytelling and deep philosophy from start to finish.* Someone, I think it was Ray Bradbury, said that the first time he saw 2001, he thought Kubrick was mad; after the second viewing, he thought he was a genius, which is an interesting way to look at it. I had already read the novel by the time I saw the film, and I think the novel (which took them all the way out to Saturn) is better.

Also, I have seen the film several times in both North America and Australia, and at NO time, as far as I can hear, does Bowman ever utter the immortal line "My God, it's full of stars!"

Long and the short - you both can and can't write off Star Wars as shallow Saturday Afternoon fluff because THAT WAS ITS DESIGN PURPOSE. Anyone expecting any more from it is kidding themselves. That being said, Episodes IV, V and VI are clearly the three best of the original six; on the other hand, the world-building in I, II, III is delightful (Naboo is what I always imagined the Old Republic should look like), but the stories were full of more holes than the Second Death Star.

* Arthur C Clarke said what he wanted was "A smashing theme of mythic grandeur".

Tom S. · 12-23-2015, 05:30 AM

I went to see the very first one and while the plot was OK, what wowed me were the special effects, which at the time were far above anything ever done before. The sequels were, IMHO so-so. Unless one of my kids wants to go see it, I'll wait for it HBO or Showtime.

**clackers** · 12-23-2015, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by Tom S.

I went to see the very first one and while the plot was OK, what wowed me were the special effects, which at the time were far above anything ever done before. The sequels were, IMHO so-so. Unless one of my kids wants to go see it, I'll wait for it HBO or Showtime.

Worried studio execs saw in London a rough cut without John Dykstra"s complicated SFX, and thought they'd blown their money. Lucas and his editor fell into funks about their awkward film.

The finished product with visual/sound effects and John Williams' score revolutionized cinema (some say for the worse - it was the end of a very interesting decade of movies by American auteurs).

**csa** · 12-23-2015, 08:03 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by condor27596

Evel knevil was the rage back then.

Spelling is Knievel. I knew him very well, growing up in the same town with him.

Sadly, I've never gotten into the Star Wars saga; but it's never too late!

**THoog** · 12-23-2015, 08:13 AM

I was ten when "Star Wars" came out, and it was the first movie I was allowed to see without my parents (and, since my father was a pastor, we rarely went to movies because my folks didn't approve of most of what Hollywood was putting out). I used up a year's worth of Christmas wheedling to go with my sister's high school friends. It was a big part of my nerdy childhood.

I had misgivings with the Ewoks, but overall I loved the first three. Then came the Special Editions, and Lucas telling us that what we remembered was wrong and his new vision had always been his vision, and it belonged to him and not the fans, and the original versions would never be available again and basically crapping all over my childhood. (D*mn right Han fired first! Han fired ONLY! Greedo never fired!) The prequels were boring eye-candy and just rubbed salt in the wounds with their obvious kid-movie-writing-by-punchcard. (With the sole exception of five minutes in Phantom Menace, you know which ones.) I don't think I even bothered to see Ep.III until I stumbled across it on HBO on a roadtrip.

So when the first Ep.VIII trailer came out, I was hardened. They weren't going to rope me in again. Not even with a John WIlliams' score and evocative images and - holy crap freakin' X-wings!!!!!!!! Ahem, excuse me. Yeah, the ten-year-old me was still there, and still excited.

So I saw "The Force Awakens" in IMAX 3-D last night as a Christmas outing with the guys from work. It was a sold out show, and I hate crowds as much as anyone, but the crowd was very well-behaved. Yes, it's kind of a pastiche of the original three lumped together, hitting a lot of the same notes, but I think it does it pretty well. I enjoyed it, and I was never bored. I might see it again, but not in IMAX - I'm 'way too familiar with Daisy Ridley's pores now (I can tell she had chickenpox as a kid).

pathdoc · 12-23-2015, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by THoog

I'm 'way too familiar with Daisy Ridley's pores now

And THIS, dear friends, is why you do not ordinarily use a macro lens for detailed portrait work.

Originally posted by THoog

With the sole exception of five minutes in Phantom Menace

The best thing they could have done would have been to (a) leave the Gungans out, (b) make Anakin and Padme ten years older than they were. The logical consequence of both those things would have driven a much better storyline from that point on.

**Digitalis** · 12-23-2015, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by THoog

holy crap freakin' X-wings!!!!!!!!

..and not just T-65 X-wings in the original films but the newer T-70 X-wings...

Originally posted by pathdoc

Jar Jar Binks made them look really good

sweet jesus, you did NOT just say that..

pathdoc · 12-23-2015, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

sweet jesus, you did NOT just say that..

Yes, I did - because the Ewoks may have talked in chirrups and burbles but Jar Jar was not only painted as a clumsy idiot but he spoke like a negro stereotype straight out of the early talkies; and while I'm by no means PC, the conjunction of the two got on my nerves. Han Solo looked on occasion like he could barely restrain himself from blasting C3PO, and he eventually warmed to the Ewoks as courageous fighters, but I think Jar Jar would have been tossed out the Falcon's airlock* halfway through the first day.

* At least that's what I think Lando exited through when he rescued Luke on Bespin.

**Digitalis** · 12-23-2015, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by pathdoc

I think Jar Jar would have been tossed out the Falcon's airlock* halfway through the first day.

If I owned the Falcon, jar jar binks would have have been stuffed in the concussion missile launchers and shot into the core of the nearest sun.

pathdoc · 12-23-2015, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

stuffed in the concussion missile launchers

Ah, so you've read the original novelisation.

**THoog** · 12-23-2015, 01:06 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Digitalis

If I owned the Falcon, jar jar binks would have have been stuffed in the concussion missile launchers and shot into the core of the nearest sun.

Much hurt I sense. Much anger. Be warned, this path leads to the Dark Side.

pathdoc · 12-23-2015, 01:17 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by THoog

Be warned, this path leads to the Dark Side.

Hey, we're Pentaxians. To the rest of the camera fraternity, we're all there already!

bertwert · 12-23-2015, 01:21 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by THoog

Much hurt I sense. Much anger. Be warned, this path leads to the Dark Side.

Originally posted by pathdoc

Hey, we're Pentaxians. To the rest of the camera fraternity, we're all there already!

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12-22-2015, 09:40 PM	#31
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Murfy The very reason I didn't like the 3 movies with jar jar binks and whatever is because I felt it lost that campy feel. Jar Jar was, um, pretty camp! "Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

12-22-2015, 10:18 PM	#32
lesmore49 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Western Canada Posts: 12,350	Originally posted by Rupert You are not alone...I've never seen a one and have no interest in any of them, personally. On the other hand I have seen The Good Bad and Ugly at least 50 times. Regards! Glad I'm not alone. I've seen every Dirty Harry, I don't know how many times. Have the deluxe DVD set for the series...also like '40's and '50's Film Noire movies. Two of my all time favourite movies are Bullit and North by Northwest. Les

12-23-2015, 05:27 AM	#33
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by Murfy I like both movies, but I do believe star wars was marketed to kids Star Wars, if I recall one of the making-of documentaries that were almost as popular as the films, was a homage to all the Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers-type Saturday Afternoon matinees of the silver-screen era. So by no means was it ever supposed to be in the same league as 2001, which (as a film, not so much as a novel) was an exercise in minimalist storytelling and deep philosophy from start to finish.* Someone, I think it was Ray Bradbury, said that the first time he saw 2001, he thought Kubrick was mad; after the second viewing, he thought he was a genius, which is an interesting way to look at it. I had already read the novel by the time I saw the film, and I think the novel (which took them all the way out to Saturn) is better. Also, I have seen the film several times in both North America and Australia, and at NO time, as far as I can hear, does Bowman ever utter the immortal line "My God, it's full of stars!" Long and the short - you both can and can't write off Star Wars as shallow Saturday Afternoon fluff because THAT WAS ITS DESIGN PURPOSE. Anyone expecting any more from it is kidding themselves. That being said, Episodes IV, V and VI are clearly the three best of the original six; on the other hand, the world-building in I, II, III is delightful (Naboo is what I always imagined the Old Republic should look like), but the stories were full of more holes than the Second Death Star. * Arthur C Clarke said what he wanted was "A smashing theme of mythic grandeur".

12-23-2015, 05:30 AM	#34
Tom S. Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Photos: Albums Posts: 4,317	I went to see the very first one and while the plot was OK, what wowed me were the special effects, which at the time were far above anything ever done before. The sequels were, IMHO so-so. Unless one of my kids wants to go see it, I'll wait for it HBO or Showtime.

12-23-2015, 06:12 AM	#35
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Tom S. I went to see the very first one and while the plot was OK, what wowed me were the special effects, which at the time were far above anything ever done before. The sequels were, IMHO so-so. Unless one of my kids wants to go see it, I'll wait for it HBO or Showtime. Worried studio execs saw in London a rough cut without John Dykstra"s complicated SFX, and thought they'd blown their money. Lucas and his editor fell into funks about their awkward film. The finished product with visual/sound effects and John Williams' score revolutionized cinema (some say for the worse - it was the end of a very interesting decade of movies by American auteurs).

12-23-2015, 08:03 AM - 1 Like	#36
csa Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Montana mountains Posts: 10,133	Originally posted by condor27596 Evel knevil was the rage back then. Spelling is Knievel. I knew him very well, growing up in the same town with him. Sadly, I've never gotten into the Star Wars saga; but it's never too late!

12-23-2015, 08:13 AM	#37
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	I was ten when "Star Wars" came out, and it was the first movie I was allowed to see without my parents (and, since my father was a pastor, we rarely went to movies because my folks didn't approve of most of what Hollywood was putting out). I used up a year's worth of Christmas wheedling to go with my sister's high school friends. It was a big part of my nerdy childhood. I had misgivings with the Ewoks, but overall I loved the first three. Then came the Special Editions, and Lucas telling us that what we remembered was wrong and his new vision had always been his vision, and it belonged to him and not the fans, and the original versions would never be available again and basically crapping all over my childhood. (Dmn right Han fired first! Han fired ONLY! Greedo never fired!) The prequels were boring eye-candy and just rubbed salt in the wounds with their obvious kid-movie-writing-by-punchcard. (With the sole exception of five minutes in Phantom Menace, you know which ones.) I don't think I even bothered to see Ep.III until I stumbled across it on HBO on a roadtrip. So when the first Ep.VIII trailer came out, I was hardened. They weren't going to rope me in again. Not even with a John WIlliams' score and evocative images and - holy crap freakin' X-wings!!!!!!!!* Ahem, excuse me. Yeah, the ten-year-old me was still there, and still excited. So I saw "The Force Awakens" in IMAX 3-D last night as a Christmas outing with the guys from work. It was a sold out show, and I hate crowds as much as anyone, but the crowd was very well-behaved. Yes, it's kind of a pastiche of the original three lumped together, hitting a lot of the same notes, but I think it does it pretty well. I enjoyed it, and I was never bored. I might see it again, but not in IMAX - I'm 'way too familiar with Daisy Ridley's pores now (I can tell she had chickenpox as a kid).

12-23-2015, 09:13 AM	#38
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by THoog I'm 'way too familiar with Daisy Ridley's pores now And THIS, dear friends, is why you do not ordinarily use a macro lens for detailed portrait work. Originally posted by THoog With the sole exception of five minutes in Phantom Menace The best thing they could have done would have been to (a) leave the Gungans out, (b) make Anakin and Padme ten years older than they were. The logical consequence of both those things would have driven a much better storyline from that point on.

12-23-2015, 09:15 AM	#39
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by THoog holy crap freakin' X-wings!!!!!!!! ..and not just T-65 X-wings in the original films but the newer T-70 X-wings... Originally posted by pathdoc Jar Jar Binks made them look really good sweet jesus, you did NOT just say that..

12-23-2015, 09:28 AM	#40
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by Digitalis sweet jesus, you did NOT just say that.. Yes, I did - because the Ewoks may have talked in chirrups and burbles but Jar Jar was not only painted as a clumsy idiot but he spoke like a negro stereotype straight out of the early talkies; and while I'm by no means PC, the conjunction of the two got on my nerves. Han Solo looked on occasion like he could barely restrain himself from blasting C3PO, and he eventually warmed to the Ewoks as courageous fighters, but I think Jar Jar would have been tossed out the Falcon's airlock* halfway through the first day. * At least that's what I think Lando exited through when he rescued Luke on Bespin.

12-23-2015, 09:32 AM	#41
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by pathdoc I think Jar Jar would have been tossed out the Falcon's airlock* halfway through the first day. If I owned the Falcon, jar jar binks would have have been stuffed in the concussion missile launchers and shot into the core of the nearest sun.

12-23-2015, 10:56 AM	#42
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by Digitalis stuffed in the concussion missile launchers Ah, so you've read the original novelisation.

12-23-2015, 01:06 PM - 1 Like	#43
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by Digitalis If I owned the Falcon, jar jar binks would have have been stuffed in the concussion missile launchers and shot into the core of the nearest sun. Much hurt I sense. Much anger. Be warned, this path leads to the Dark Side.

12-23-2015, 01:17 PM - 1 Like	#44
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by THoog Be warned, this path leads to the Dark Side. Hey, we're Pentaxians. To the rest of the camera fraternity, we're all there already!

12-23-2015, 01:21 PM - 1 Like	#45
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,172	Originally posted by THoog Much hurt I sense. Much anger. Be warned, this path leads to the Dark Side. Originally posted by pathdoc Hey, we're Pentaxians. To the rest of the camera fraternity, we're all there already!