Originally posted by BigMackCam I do understand that argument, but I don't personally subscribe to it. Unless the viewer has at their disposal a definitive account of the artists' intentions, inspirations, perceptions, emotions etc. when creating the piece, I really don't think he / she can truly judge the piece objectively - there will always be the viewer's interpretation, assumptions, emotions etc. involved in their judgement. That's just my view, of course
The way I see it, is that whether or not one likes the art work, is not necessarily a reflection on the how well the artist has shown what it is he wishes to show and that is the criterian. The latter can be objectively judged, the former depends very much on one's own values. For example, say one is not religious, it is quite possible for such a person when viewing a religious painting, to say, "this is beautifully executed, and I can objectively judge how well he has presented to me the elevated spirituality he has. Since it is not a spirituality I have, I personally can't relate to it." In the example of "Piss Christ" I can only conclude that the artist's intention is quite the opposite of the uplifting of man's gaze, and instead literally drops it into the sewer. Neither is the quality of that work commendable. One can therefore make an objective judgement on those grounds.
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Originally posted by normhead So I would argue that to understand art, you have to understand your response to it almost as an observer. Call it the "meditators and self awareness approach to art" as opposed to the " understanding art by analyzing it" approach to art
Indeed, and self awareness is being aware of the values you hold as they make an automatic response to the art in question. "Why do I find this appealing (or not)?" Is it the execution or is it the subject. Can the execution be objectively judged not only in regard to technique, but to the tangible (art work) expression of feelings and ideas within his soul?
If you like the work, it suggests the artist has stirred in you, the feelings that led him to express the work, but that should not be the basis of judgement. Its not so much what you like, as how well the artist has communicated
his ideas.
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Originally posted by THoog Herein lies my problem with the Art World. Every field has to have jargon - it's necessary for clarity when communicating within the field. However, when jargon becomes a curtain to keep the outsiders out and things can't or won't be explained in layman's terms, that's a failure in the teacher, not the student. Certainly, there are many true believers in the Emperor's New Clothes, but besides the tailor who was clever enough to have the idea, there are an awful lot of people - agents, dealers, critics, scholars, social climbers - with something to gain in the New Clothes, who make lucrative careers out of praising the New Clothes and describing the New Clothes in esoteric terms and debating what the New Clothes mean about society. If they can't convince an unsophisticated child that the Emperor is NOT naked, and have to exclude the child to maintain their positions and keep the cash coming in, then there is something wrong, something less than honest.
And nothing assists the syndrome like removing objective judgement from the equation. Art is like a cultural barometer, reflecting the prevailing attitudes and ideas, such as nihilism, relativism or subjectivism.