Busted by the Grammar Police

Erikka · 07-02-2016, 09:20 AM

ok so I was busted by the grammar police for not using the full and proper Swedish punctuation of Trädgårdsföreningen in a recent post, I plead ignorance of the law......

**savoche** · 07-02-2016, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Erikka

ok so I was busted by the grammar police for not using the full and proper Swedish punctuation of Trädgårdsföreningen in a recent post, I plead ignorance of the law......

Hey, please use correct English punctuation, will you?!

Oops, sorry, I'm not much into gardening and am probably not allowed to comment on such matters...

Erikka · 07-02-2016, 10:11 AM

I spelled it right, just without all the added accents heh

**savoche** · 07-02-2016, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Erikka

I spelled it right, just without all the added accents heh

I wonder why some people go off for things like that. I mean, I try my best to write correctly, but as long as the meaning is clear, well, why can't people just stick with the topic discussed? And if the meaning isn't clear, ask for a clarification.

I know, they are everywhere.

One thing I don't like, though, is use of txt spch or the like in international forums like this one. It makes it very hard for people less proficient in English to understand or to use Google or dictionaries to aid them.

Parallax · 07-02-2016, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by savoche

I know, they are everywhere.

Erikka · 07-02-2016, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by savoche

I wonder why some people go off for things like that. I mean, I try my best to write correctly, but as long as the meaning is clear, well, why can't people just stick with the topic discussed? And if the meaning isn't clear, ask for a clarification.

I know, they are everywhere.

One thing I don't like, though, is use of txt spch or the like in international forums like this one. It makes it very hard for people less proficient in English to understand or to use Google or dictionaries to aid them.

I've read letters and posts from Human Resource people at companies and they have seen people using txt speech and emoticons, etc on their job applications. That is horrible and there was even a story about a University Professor who got in trouble with the school administrators for telling all students they were not allowed to use tablets or laptops in class and instead insisted they actually write stuff down on paper.

**Kerrowdown** · 07-02-2016, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Erikka

instead insisted they actually write stuff down on paper

It's an age thing, I'm with the Prof on this one.

**Ex Finn.** · 07-02-2016, 04:01 PM - **1 Like**

I have an accent, therefore can not advice.

**monochrome** · 07-02-2016, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Kerrowdown

It's an age thing, I'm with the Prof on this one.

My daughter is a tenure-track Asst. Prof. Her Department Rules (as handed down by the University Administration) prohibit such restrictions.

Erikka · 07-02-2016, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

My daughter is a tenure-track Asst. Prof. Her Department Rules (as handed down by the University Administration) prohibit such restrictions.

yeah the administrators slapped down the prof and negated his rules heh

bxf · 07-02-2016, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by savoche

I wonder why some people go off for things like that. I mean, I try my best to write correctly, but as long as the meaning is clear, well, why can't people just stick with the topic discussed

I am not at all bothered by someone making a spelling mistake, even if it's due to lack of knowledge as opposed to a typo. My concern is the fact that for some reason that totally escapes me, incorrect usage tends to spread, almost as if the public was determined to find and use the wrong way. Hence we have "book's" instead of "books", e.g. and i.e. almost consistently reversed from proper usage, "off of" is now almost universal in the US, Eyeraq and Eyeran are two countries that used to be Iraq and Iran, "rate of speed" instead of "speed", even the idiotic "nucular" instead of "nuclear" seems to be spreading, etc, etc etc.

End of rant, for now.

Arjay Bee · 07-02-2016, 04:53 PM

My pet hates are the confusion of 'there', 'their' and 'they're' and similarly 'your' and 'you're'. And this does confuse meaning. I think people are genuinely blind and deaf to the differences, and it is not just lazy self editing.

The original poster has a point though. As a post of a Swedish word in a predominantly English language forum it is okay not to use the proper orthography on a non English word. If we were to follow the logic of the complainant we would need to use the correct spelling of the word 'bokeh' for example. The most common Romanization of the Japanese language does not use a final 'h' but if that was used then we English speakers would constantly mispronounce the word to rhyme with joke or broke as we commonly read the o-e as a split digraph whereas the Japanese language gives equal weight to each vowel.

As Savoche comments, we just need clarity of meaning or of intent for communication to be successful.

Transit · 07-02-2016, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Erikka

... not using the full and proper Swedish punctuation of Trädgårdsföreningen ......

i often get that wrong too

---------- Post added 3rd Jul 2016 at 12:02 PM ----------

Originally posted by Arjay Bee

My pet hates are the confusion of 'there', 'their' and 'they're' and similarly 'your' and 'you're'. And this does confuse meaning. I think people are genuinely blind and deaf to the differences, and it is not just lazy self editing.

The teaching of those things has gone down hill,
the competition from txting, slang, crap inported TV progs is overwhelming.

bxf · 07-02-2016, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Arjay Bee

My pet hates are the confusion of 'there', 'their' and 'they're' and similarly 'your' and 'you're'. And this does confuse meaning. I think people are genuinely blind and deaf to the differences, and it is not just lazy self editing.

Hence my "etc, etc, etc"

bertwert · 07-02-2016, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by savoche

It makes it very hard for people less proficient in English

Heck, I'm proficient in English and I can't understand any texting language!

Originally posted by Erikka

yeah the administrators slapped down the prof and negated his rules heh

Where is your punctuation?

07-02-2016, 09:20 AM	#1
Erikka Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Se Photos: Albums Posts: 361	Busted by the Grammar Police ok so I was busted by the grammar police for not using the full and proper Swedish punctuation of Trädgårdsföreningen in a recent post, I plead ignorance of the law......

07-02-2016, 04:53 PM	#12
Arjay Bee Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Horn Island, Torres Straits, Q Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,715	My pet hates are the confusion of 'there', 'their' and 'they're' and similarly 'your' and 'you're'. And this does confuse meaning. I think people are genuinely blind and deaf to the differences, and it is not just lazy self editing. The original poster has a point though. As a post of a Swedish word in a predominantly English language forum it is okay not to use the proper orthography on a non English word. If we were to follow the logic of the complainant we would need to use the correct spelling of the word 'bokeh' for example. The most common Romanization of the Japanese language does not use a final 'h' but if that was used then we English speakers would constantly mispronounce the word to rhyme with joke or broke as we commonly read the o-e as a split digraph whereas the Japanese language gives equal weight to each vowel. As Savoche comments, we just need clarity of meaning or of intent for communication to be successful. Last edited by Arjay Bee; 07-02-2016 at 05:06 PM.

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07-02-2016, 10:04 AM	#2
savoche Master of the obvious Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Lowlands of Norway Posts: 18,311	Originally posted by Erikka ok so I was busted by the grammar police for not using the full and proper Swedish punctuation of Trädgårdsföreningen in a recent post, I plead ignorance of the law...... Hey, please use correct English punctuation, will you?! Oops, sorry, I'm not much into gardening and am probably not allowed to comment on such matters...

07-02-2016, 10:11 AM	#3
Erikka Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Se Photos: Albums Posts: 361 Original Poster	I spelled it right, just without all the added accents heh

07-02-2016, 10:51 AM	#4
savoche Master of the obvious Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Lowlands of Norway Posts: 18,311	Originally posted by Erikka I spelled it right, just without all the added accents heh I wonder why some people go off for things like that. I mean, I try my best to write correctly, but as long as the meaning is clear, well, why can't people just stick with the topic discussed? And if the meaning isn't clear, ask for a clarification. I know, they are everywhere. One thing I don't like, though, is use of txt spch or the like in international forums like this one. It makes it very hard for people less proficient in English to understand or to use Google or dictionaries to aid them.

07-02-2016, 10:57 AM	#5
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by savoche I know, they are everywhere.

07-02-2016, 11:13 AM	#6
Erikka Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Se Photos: Albums Posts: 361 Original Poster	Originally posted by savoche I wonder why some people go off for things like that. I mean, I try my best to write correctly, but as long as the meaning is clear, well, why can't people just stick with the topic discussed? And if the meaning isn't clear, ask for a clarification. I know, they are everywhere. One thing I don't like, though, is use of txt spch or the like in international forums like this one. It makes it very hard for people less proficient in English to understand or to use Google or dictionaries to aid them. I've read letters and posts from Human Resource people at companies and they have seen people using txt speech and emoticons, etc on their job applications. That is horrible and there was even a story about a University Professor who got in trouble with the school administrators for telling all students they were not allowed to use tablets or laptops in class and instead insisted they actually write stuff down on paper.

07-02-2016, 02:03 PM	#7
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,816	Originally posted by Erikka instead insisted they actually write stuff down on paper It's an age thing, I'm with the Prof on this one.

07-02-2016, 04:01 PM - 1 Like	#8
Ex Finn. Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Maryland. Espoo. Kouvola. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,975	I have an accent, therefore can not advice.

07-02-2016, 04:14 PM	#9
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Kerrowdown It's an age thing, I'm with the Prof on this one. My daughter is a tenure-track Asst. Prof. Her Department Rules (as handed down by the University Administration) prohibit such restrictions.

07-02-2016, 04:17 PM	#10
Erikka Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Se Photos: Albums Posts: 361 Original Poster	Originally posted by monochrome My daughter is a tenure-track Asst. Prof. Her Department Rules (as handed down by the University Administration) prohibit such restrictions. yeah the administrators slapped down the prof and negated his rules heh

07-02-2016, 04:41 PM	#11
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by savoche I wonder why some people go off for things like that. I mean, I try my best to write correctly, but as long as the meaning is clear, well, why can't people just stick with the topic discussed I am not at all bothered by someone making a spelling mistake, even if it's due to lack of knowledge as opposed to a typo. My concern is the fact that for some reason that totally escapes me, incorrect usage tends to spread, almost as if the public was determined to find and use the wrong way. Hence we have "book's" instead of "books", e.g. and i.e. almost consistently reversed from proper usage, "off of" is now almost universal in the US, Eyeraq and Eyeran are two countries that used to be Iraq and Iran, "rate of speed" instead of "speed", even the idiotic "nucular" instead of "nuclear" seems to be spreading, etc, etc etc. End of rant, for now.

07-02-2016, 04:59 PM	#13
Transit Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Whanganui NZ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,624	Originally posted by Erikka ... not using the full and proper Swedish punctuation of Trädgårdsföreningen ...... i often get that wrong too ---------- Post added 3rd Jul 2016 at 12:02 PM ---------- Originally posted by Arjay Bee My pet hates are the confusion of 'there', 'their' and 'they're' and similarly 'your' and 'you're'. And this does confuse meaning. I think people are genuinely blind and deaf to the differences, and it is not just lazy self editing. The teaching of those things has gone down hill, the competition from txting, slang, crap inported TV progs is overwhelming.

07-02-2016, 05:03 PM	#14
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by Arjay Bee My pet hates are the confusion of 'there', 'their' and 'they're' and similarly 'your' and 'you're'. And this does confuse meaning. I think people are genuinely blind and deaf to the differences, and it is not just lazy self editing. Hence my "etc, etc, etc"

07-02-2016, 05:23 PM	#15
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by savoche It makes it very hard for people less proficient in English Heck, I'm proficient in English and I can't understand any texting language! Originally posted by Erikka yeah the administrators slapped down the prof and negated his rules heh Where is your punctuation?