Sony goes FF, can Pentax be far behind?

Red · 09-09-2008, 08:21 AM

$3000, wow. Wonder how much the ~24 mp D3X will cost.

ogl · 09-09-2008, 08:22 AM

If Samsung will make 26 MP sensor
I won't be happy.

ghelary · 09-09-2008, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by ogl

If Samsung will make 26 MP sensor
I won't be happy.

Given the pixel density of K20D's sensor and the noise level up to 6400 ISO, it's likely that such a sensor would outperform Sony's noisewise.

But IMO, the pixel race should be over, most sensors are on the limits or even outperform most professional grade lenses at the resolution level. The philosophy of Nikon, getting on some "ISO/noise race" seems to me intelligent (as a tradeof between marketing and real needs of photographers)

Guillaume
who will stick to APSC for his next 2-3 bodies. (no need for FF yet)

ftpaddict · 09-09-2008, 08:39 AM

It just dawned on me..

NO LIVE VIEW!

The D700 and the 5D's successor will have Live View.

Shame on Sony for not playing the consumer-oriented marketing game.

kenyee · 09-09-2008, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by ftpaddict

Shame on Sony for not playing the consumer-oriented marketing game.

LOL. They'll have to buy a Sony HD camera for video! Oh nooooo. They're all going to migrate to Nikon

Actually, I do wonder if that's why Nikon did it as well (Sony and Canon both have HD camcorders). They don't have to worry about eating up HD videocam sales...not that it matters because early reports I've seen on the D90's video support seem to indicate it's frustrating to use

ftpaddict · 09-09-2008, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by kenyee

LOL. They'll have to buy a Sony HD camera for video! Oh nooooo. They're all going to migrate to Nikon

No no... no LIVE VIEW AT ALL IN SONY. How is this even possible!!?!?!?!!QUESTIONMARKQUESTIONMARK?

Gooshin · 09-09-2008, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Sony goes FF, can Pentax be far behind?

Pentax is not behind, Pentax is about to create the worlds first MSW-H Sensor (mega super world - hybrid)

this sensor is so large, that, much like voltron, when you press the shutter release, all of the worlds pentax lenses activate through a secret ancient mechanism and process whatever they see directly into your camera giving you an image of the world, all at once, through everyone elses camera.

RaduA · 09-09-2008, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by ftpaddict

No no... no LIVE VIEW AT ALL IN SONY. How is this even possible!!?!?!?!!QUESTIONMARKQUESTIONMARK?

A700 doesn't have LV at all and it's the only modern camera in this class without this feature at least implemented. Honnestly I turned LV on my camera once or twice just to see what's up with that. My answer? Nothing's up with LV!

Radu

P.S. in A900 the technical reason for the missing LV could be the sensor overheating. All the Sony's with LV have a second smaller sensor, reduced OVF and penta-mirror. None of this is feasable with A900's penta-prism.

ftpaddict · 09-09-2008, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

Pentax is not behind, Pentax is about to create the worlds first MSW-H Sensor (mega super world - hybrid)

this sensor is so large, that, much like voltron, when you press the shutter release, all of the worlds pentax lenses activate through a secret ancient mechanism and process whatever they see directly into your camera giving you an image of the world, all at once, through everyone elses camera.

[/b]

Presumably a lot of "dead pixels" will appear in the form of basements, cupboards, camera bags and lens caps.

deejjjaaaa · 09-09-2008, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

Pentax is not behind, Pentax is about to create the worlds first MSW-H Sensor (mega super world - hybrid)

this sensor is so large, that, much like voltron, when you press the shutter release, all of the worlds pentax lenses activate through a secret ancient mechanism and process whatever they see directly into your camera giving you an image of the world, all at once, through everyone elses camera.

[/b]

nope - there will be a miniken (cloned Ken R) inside, equipped w/ Nikon camera and set of PP tools...

benjikan · 09-09-2008, 10:01 AM

That camera is "As Ugly As the Day is LONG!"

Ben

benjikan · 09-09-2008, 10:07 AM

1600 iso is awful.

vinzer · 09-09-2008, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

1600 iso is awful.

Oh man, you tell me. It's probably like the A350 - great at lower ISOs, but iffy at higher ones.

It would be interesting if Nikon releases a D3x using the same sensor with better performance at ISO 1600 up. Sony really does tend to overdo their noise reduction, hence the seemingly watercolor effect.

Kudos to Sony, though, for still being able to make in-body stabilization work with FF. There were a lot of rumblings that it couldn't be done, since there's no more extra space to move an FF sensor. Or something.

Okami · 09-09-2008, 10:19 AM

Wow... reviews of IQ aren't that good... Dissapointing to say the least. I rather everyone bring out awesome products to keep the war going :P

**Douglas_of_Sweden** · 09-09-2008, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by bodhi

...I think Canon, Nikon and now Sony knows better than you and me why they go the FF...

As I was quoting Sony's own press release, what made you think I was pretending to know better than these three companies?
If anything I wondered if Pentax would reason the same way Sony appears to do (taking their own press release seriously) - that the potential amateur FF market is already big enough.

09-09-2008, 08:30 AM	#18
ghelary Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 613	Originally posted by ogl If Samsung will make 26 MP sensor I won't be happy. Given the pixel density of K20D's sensor and the noise level up to 6400 ISO, it's likely that such a sensor would outperform Sony's noisewise. But IMO, the pixel race should be over, most sensors are on the limits or even outperform most professional grade lenses at the resolution level. The philosophy of Nikon, getting on some "ISO/noise race" seems to me intelligent (as a tradeof between marketing and real needs of photographers) Guillaume who will stick to APSC for his next 2-3 bodies. (no need for FF yet) Last edited by ghelary; 09-09-2008 at 08:47 AM.

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09-09-2008, 08:21 AM	#16
Red Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Suwanee, GA USA Posts: 153	$3000, wow. Wonder how much the ~24 mp D3X will cost.

09-09-2008, 08:22 AM	#17
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	If Samsung will make 26 MP sensor I won't be happy.

09-09-2008, 08:39 AM	#19
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	It just dawned on me.. NO LIVE VIEW! The D700 and the 5D's successor will have Live View. Shame on Sony for not playing the consumer-oriented marketing game.

09-09-2008, 09:08 AM	#20
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	Originally posted by ftpaddict Shame on Sony for not playing the consumer-oriented marketing game. LOL. They'll have to buy a Sony HD camera for video! Oh nooooo. They're all going to migrate to Nikon Actually, I do wonder if that's why Nikon did it as well (Sony and Canon both have HD camcorders). They don't have to worry about eating up HD videocam sales...not that it matters because early reports I've seen on the D90's video support seem to indicate it's frustrating to use

09-09-2008, 09:18 AM	#21
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Originally posted by kenyee LOL. They'll have to buy a Sony HD camera for video! Oh nooooo. They're all going to migrate to Nikon No no... no LIVE VIEW AT ALL IN SONY. How is this even possible!!?!?!?!!QUESTIONMARKQUESTIONMARK?

09-09-2008, 09:31 AM	#22
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	Quote: Sony goes FF, can Pentax be far behind? Pentax is not behind, Pentax is about to create the worlds first MSW-H Sensor (mega super world - hybrid) this sensor is so large, that, much like voltron, when you press the shutter release, all of the worlds pentax lenses activate through a secret ancient mechanism and process whatever they see directly into your camera giving you an image of the world, all at once, through everyone elses camera.

09-09-2008, 09:42 AM	#23
RaduA Guest	Originally posted by ftpaddict No no... no LIVE VIEW AT ALL IN SONY. How is this even possible!!?!?!?!!QUESTIONMARKQUESTIONMARK? A700 doesn't have LV at all and it's the only modern camera in this class without this feature at least implemented. Honnestly I turned LV on my camera once or twice just to see what's up with that. My answer? Nothing's up with LV! Radu P.S. in A900 the technical reason for the missing LV could be the sensor overheating. All the Sony's with LV have a second smaller sensor, reduced OVF and penta-mirror. None of this is feasable with A900's penta-prism.

09-09-2008, 09:42 AM	#24
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Originally posted by Gooshin Pentax is not behind, Pentax is about to create the worlds first MSW-H Sensor (mega super world - hybrid) this sensor is so large, that, much like voltron, when you press the shutter release, all of the worlds pentax lenses activate through a secret ancient mechanism and process whatever they see directly into your camera giving you an image of the world, all at once, through everyone elses camera. [/b] Presumably a lot of "dead pixels" will appear in the form of basements, cupboards, camera bags and lens caps.

09-09-2008, 09:52 AM	#25
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by Gooshin Pentax is not behind, Pentax is about to create the worlds first MSW-H Sensor (mega super world - hybrid) this sensor is so large, that, much like voltron, when you press the shutter release, all of the worlds pentax lenses activate through a secret ancient mechanism and process whatever they see directly into your camera giving you an image of the world, all at once, through everyone elses camera. [/b] nope - there will be a miniken (cloned Ken R) inside, equipped w/ Nikon camera and set of PP tools...

09-09-2008, 10:01 AM	#26
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	That camera is "As Ugly As the Day is LONG!" Ben

09-09-2008, 10:07 AM	#27
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	1600 iso is awful.

09-09-2008, 10:16 AM	#28
vinzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,399	Originally posted by benjikan 1600 iso is awful. Oh man, you tell me. It's probably like the A350 - great at lower ISOs, but iffy at higher ones. It would be interesting if Nikon releases a D3x using the same sensor with better performance at ISO 1600 up. Sony really does tend to overdo their noise reduction, hence the seemingly watercolor effect. Kudos to Sony, though, for still being able to make in-body stabilization work with FF. There were a lot of rumblings that it couldn't be done, since there's no more extra space to move an FF sensor. Or something.

09-09-2008, 10:19 AM	#29
Okami Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 376	Wow... reviews of IQ aren't that good... Dissapointing to say the least. I rather everyone bring out awesome products to keep the war going :P

09-09-2008, 10:35 AM	#30
Douglas_of_Sweden Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Stockholm Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,374	Originally posted by bodhi ...I think Canon, Nikon and now Sony knows better than you and me why they go the FF... As I was quoting Sony's own press release, what made you think I was pretending to know better than these three companies? If anything I wondered if Pentax would reason the same way Sony appears to do (taking their own press release seriously) - that the potential amateur FF market is already big enough.