My first Ziess piece...

Gooshin · 09-09-2008, 07:44 AM

EDIT: i know i spelled Zeiss wrong in my title..

Those of you that followed the Zeiss 18mm F3.5 thread awhile back may have gotten then feeling that i'm anti zeiss, which is not true, i'm simply anti-hype and anti-brand, atleast to the point where the sole reason for the purchase of something is based off the name not any concrete tests..

anyway, i came back from Russia yesterday with something that belonged to my great-grand-father who was a russian officer during the war and made it as far as Berlin..

he also brought back a couple of things, one of which, which is now in my posession, is this little trinket..

the Box Tengor!

Box Tengor - Camerapedia.org

amazingly it had FILM in it!!

the shutter works, the apertures moves (altho hardly an aperture in the modern sense of the word) and even has nifty little options like bulb mode and a shutter lock

i cant wait till i grab some 120 film and go out and test this thing..

now if i can only figure out what the shutter speed is.... (cuz there is only ONE..)

séamuis · 09-09-2008, 07:50 AM

I'm interested in the film that was in it, any chance it can be developed? congrats on the new camera.

Gooshin · 09-09-2008, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by séamuis

I'm interested in the film that was in it, any chance it can be developed? congrats on the new camera.

i will certainly try and develop it, however there are a number of things that concern me

#1, i honestly think that the film in this camera is from 1940's

#2 the film is not loaded in a cartridge, and is just rolled from one roll on to another that is fixed inside the box (which i took out)

if there are images, i dont think they are entirely exposed due to my error, maybe just the edges?

anyway i will fiddle with it tonight in the dark, but first i need to figure out how the film latching mechanism even works, because again, the two spindles are fixed into the camera... hmmm.

little laker · 09-09-2008, 08:33 AM

Congrats on your new OLD camera Goosh,
I'm lookiong forward to seeing some pic's from it.

About the film. If it's 120 it'll have a paper wrapper all along it, which blocks the light.
So as long as you didn't remove it in bright sun you'll be fine.
They still use this loading method.

If it's 220 though they don't have that paper. So you might be hooped.

I was going to PM you asking for you to grab a screwmount wide angle if you saw one cheep. But I forgot to, and you probably didn't have the time anyways

Clicker · 09-09-2008, 08:37 AM

It's the advanced "pin-hole" camera, if you have a meter use it to calculate flash output needed from either it's shutter or aperture speed.

Nesster · 09-09-2008, 08:55 AM

Zeiss Ikon BOX-TENGOR instruction manual, user manual, PDF manual, free manuals

That's the Cadillac/Mercedes of box cameras... the lens isn't bad, and it has three apertures I believe, and two speeds - usually around 1/50 and B/T. If you go to flickr you'll see lots of pictures of/by these cameras. I want one and ever since I figured I wanted one, a bunch of online buddies have lucked into one. Now you. Bah.

The manual I linked to should explain how to load/unload film.

Good luck with it, and I hope to see photos soon!

ps. looks like the manual says 1/30 is the shutter speed. Go figure! I suppose that's to go with the slow films of the day. Unlike most box cameras the Box Tengor has three focus zones and three apertures.

Blue · 09-09-2008, 12:34 PM

man those are odd looking cameras.

Gooshin · 09-09-2008, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by Blue

man those are odd looking cameras.

thats an understatement, try operating one

the "view finders" are...

well basicaly you have to look into this 1cmX2cm ish convex piece of glass from about 1-2 feet away and compose..

only its really hard because of the inverse nature, moving your hands left shifts the image right

tilting and twisting the camera also has an inverse effect on your compostion,

bascialy, you have to get used to it!

also having the image displayed distorted at the edges doesnt help either....

k100d · 09-09-2008, 01:03 PM

find any Pentax compatible lenses on your trip

Gooshin · 09-09-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by k100d

find any Pentax compatible lenses on your trip

unfortunately no, i never got a chance to hit up the pawn shops

an adventure like this, in a city like moscow needs to be planned ahead, and i didnt have the time.

09-09-2008, 08:55 AM	#6
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	Zeiss Ikon BOX-TENGOR instruction manual, user manual, PDF manual, free manuals That's the Cadillac/Mercedes of box cameras... the lens isn't bad, and it has three apertures I believe, and two speeds - usually around 1/50 and B/T. If you go to flickr you'll see lots of pictures of/by these cameras. I want one and ever since I figured I wanted one, a bunch of online buddies have lucked into one. Now you. Bah. The manual I linked to should explain how to load/unload film. Good luck with it, and I hope to see photos soon! ps. looks like the manual says 1/30 is the shutter speed. Go figure! I suppose that's to go with the slow films of the day. Unlike most box cameras the Box Tengor has three focus zones and three apertures. Last edited by Nesster; 09-09-2008 at 09:03 AM.

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09-09-2008, 07:44 AM	#1
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	My first Ziess piece... EDIT: i know i spelled Zeiss wrong in my title.. Those of you that followed the Zeiss 18mm F3.5 thread awhile back may have gotten then feeling that i'm anti zeiss, which is not true, i'm simply anti-hype and anti-brand, atleast to the point where the sole reason for the purchase of something is based off the name not any concrete tests.. anyway, i came back from Russia yesterday with something that belonged to my great-grand-father who was a russian officer during the war and made it as far as Berlin.. he also brought back a couple of things, one of which, which is now in my posession, is this little trinket.. the Box Tengor! Box Tengor - Camerapedia.org amazingly it had FILM in it!! the shutter works, the apertures moves (altho hardly an aperture in the modern sense of the word) and even has nifty little options like bulb mode and a shutter lock i cant wait till i grab some 120 film and go out and test this thing.. now if i can only figure out what the shutter speed is.... (cuz there is only ONE..)

09-09-2008, 07:50 AM	#2
séamuis Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Savannah, U.S./Baguio City, P.H. Posts: 5,979	I'm interested in the film that was in it, any chance it can be developed? congrats on the new camera.

09-09-2008, 07:57 AM	#3
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610 Original Poster	Originally posted by séamuis I'm interested in the film that was in it, any chance it can be developed? congrats on the new camera. i will certainly try and develop it, however there are a number of things that concern me #1, i honestly think that the film in this camera is from 1940's #2 the film is not loaded in a cartridge, and is just rolled from one roll on to another that is fixed inside the box (which i took out) if there are images, i dont think they are entirely exposed due to my error, maybe just the edges? anyway i will fiddle with it tonight in the dark, but first i need to figure out how the film latching mechanism even works, because again, the two spindles are fixed into the camera... hmmm.

09-09-2008, 08:33 AM	#4
little laker Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,697	Congrats on your new OLD camera Goosh, I'm lookiong forward to seeing some pic's from it. About the film. If it's 120 it'll have a paper wrapper all along it, which blocks the light. So as long as you didn't remove it in bright sun you'll be fine. They still use this loading method. If it's 220 though they don't have that paper. So you might be hooped. I was going to PM you asking for you to grab a screwmount wide angle if you saw one cheep. But I forgot to, and you probably didn't have the time anyways

09-09-2008, 08:37 AM	#5
Clicker Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,241	It's the advanced "pin-hole" camera, if you have a meter use it to calculate flash output needed from either it's shutter or aperture speed.

09-09-2008, 12:34 PM	#7
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	man those are odd looking cameras.

09-09-2008, 12:42 PM	#8
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610 Original Poster	Originally posted by Blue man those are odd looking cameras. thats an understatement, try operating one the "view finders" are... well basicaly you have to look into this 1cmX2cm ish convex piece of glass from about 1-2 feet away and compose.. only its really hard because of the inverse nature, moving your hands left shifts the image right tilting and twisting the camera also has an inverse effect on your compostion, bascialy, you have to get used to it! also having the image displayed distorted at the edges doesnt help either....

09-09-2008, 01:03 PM	#9
k100d Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,911	find any Pentax compatible lenses on your trip

09-09-2008, 01:06 PM	#10
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610 Original Poster	Originally posted by k100d find any Pentax compatible lenses on your trip unfortunately no, i never got a chance to hit up the pawn shops an adventure like this, in a city like moscow needs to be planned ahead, and i didnt have the time.