Anyone watching the World Series?

**ThomSirveaux** · 10-30-2019, 10:50 AM

What are your thoughts on the Trea Turner call?

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normhead · 10-30-2019, 11:07 AM - **2 Likes**

A terrible call. But nothing like the game 5 umpiring. That umpire missed call in almost every at bat, and I'm judging not by where the strike zone was supposed to be, but on his own consistency. His strike zone seemed to be totally random. He declared people "stuck out" who were never thrown a strike, and he walked people who were only thrown strikes. I've seen some really poorly umpired games... but this world series crew has redefined "incompetent."
At least Angel Hernandez isn't there this year. Who can forget his 3 overturned calls in single game performance?

Basicly, I am really tired of officials making the games about themselves. It's about the players.

**ThomSirveaux** · 10-30-2019, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by normhead

A terrible call. But nothing like the game 5 umpiring. That umpire missed call in almost every at bat, and I'm judging not by where the strike zone was supposed to be, but on his own consistency. His strike zone seemed to be totally random. He declared people "stuck out" who were never thrown a strike, and he walked people who were only thrown strikes. I've seen some really poorly umpired games... but this world series crew has redefined "incompetent."
At least Angel Hernandez isn't there this year. Who can forget his 3 overturned calls in single game performance?

It's hilarious because we're finally seeing accurate stats on called balls/strikes, thanks to modern technology. And, as it turns out, umpires kinda suck.

I mean, they really suck, but it's usually not intentional. Angel Hernandez and Joe West can just go sit on a rusty spike. But, there's a lot of nuance in how the umpires set up behind the catcher, where they're looking, what their opinion of the grass is, if they're super gassy so they need to "move around" by calling more strikes, if the moon is waxing or waning, Is mercury in retrograde in relation to the rising Mars, etc, etc.

The greatest argument for Robo-umps will always be real umpires.

normhead · 10-30-2019, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by ThomSirveaux

It's hilarious because we're finally seeing accurate stats on called balls/strikes, thanks to modern technology. And, as it turns out, umpires kinda suck.

I mean, they really suck, but it's usually not intentional. Angel Hernandez and Joe West can just go sit on a rusty spike. But, there's a lot of nuance in how the umpires set up behind the catcher, where they're looking, what their opinion of the grass is, if they're super gassy so they need to "move around" by calling more strikes, if the moon is waxing or waning, Is mercury in retrograde in relation to the rising Mars, etc, etc.

The greatest argument for Robo-umps will always be real umpires.

'

I watched a youtube video of Kerry Woods 23 strike out game. That umpires strike zone was so wide the question is, why weren't all 27 outs strike outs? I thought I was going to see great pitching. Instead, I saw really bad umpiring. Verlander's no hitter against the Jays this year was something totally different. If you watched that game, he earned his no-hitter. It's sad when you have sports degenerating to the point where you don't know if it was the players or umpires who in the end determined the outcome of the game.

Many conferences in football now review every play. They just have look to see if they need to look further. Baseball should be doing the same at the professional level. If it's close, if the call was questionable, it should be automatically reviewed. Human umpires should not be asked to perform beyond the limits of human capability. And honestly, a lot of the calls these days are beyond human capability. It's not the actual umpire's fault. It's that they are doing a job they don't have the physical capacity to do well. At least not in an era of endless video angles and slo-mo replays. They need to know their limits, and it's baseball's job to bring umpiring practices up to date.

I'm not an Astro's fan or a Washington fan,. I just want to see good baseball. Bad umpiring ruins the enjoyment of the game.

**ThomSirveaux** · 10-30-2019, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by normhead

'

I watched a youtube video of Kerry Woods 23 strike out game. That umpires strike zone was so wide the question is, why weren't all 27 outs strike outs? I thought I was going to see great pitching. Instead, I saw really bad umpiring. Verlander's no hitter against the Jays this year was something totally different. If you watched that game, he earned his no-hitter. It's sad when you have sports degenerating to the point where you don't know if it was the players or umpires who in the end determined the outcome of the game.

Many conferences in football now review every play. They just have look to see if they need to look further. Baseball should be doing the same at the professional level. If it's close, if the call was questionable, it should be automatically reviewed. Human umpires should not be asked to perform beyond the limits of human capability. And honestly, a lot of the calls these days are beyond human capability. It's not the actual umpire's fault. It's that they are doing a job they don't have the physical capacity to do well. At least not in an era of endless video angles and slo-mo replays. They need to know their limits, and it's baseball's job to bring umpiring practices up to date.

I'm not an Astro's fan or a Washington fan,. I just want to see good baseball. Bad umpiring ruins the enjoyment of the game.

I'm absolutely right there with you (though I am rooting against the Astros). Bad officiating ruins every sport, be it baseball, football, or hockey.

My one qualm about the "replay" rules is that the "tie" no longer goes to the runner. Because we have slow-motion cameras watching the plays, even though the runner was less than a milisecond behind, it'll be an out, rather than a "Yeah, he met the definition of 'tie', in that, the ball vs foot interaction is <3 or 4 frames apart" or something.

Since we can now almost pin-point when the ball gets into the glove and when the foot hits the bag, it does kinda make me want to go back to just eyeballing calls like that.

robtcorl · 10-30-2019, 12:46 PM

The call was total BS, and it took 4.5 minutes to review? WTH!
I, and I'm sure other Cardinals fans watching, were reminded of Denkinger's bad call in game 6 of the Cards vs Royals 1985 WS.

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PDL · 10-30-2019, 12:50 PM

I only watch once in a great while. I follow the games on my phone.
The main reason I do not watch them on TV is that Fox Sports has the background sound level turned up so high that in order to hear the talking heads (which is a gigantic waste of time in itself) you have to increase the volume. It is very distracting and annoying. It gets to the point where it is best to mute the broadcast. But then it's Fox where the banter is meaningless, the interruptions are extensive and the commentators are biased to the extreme.

I just look for the end results. Fox is the problem, not the series.

**ThomSirveaux** · 10-30-2019, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by PDL

I only watch once in a great while. I follow the games on my phone.
The main reason I do not watch them on TV is that Fox Sports has the background sound level turned up so high that in order to hear the talking heads (which is a gigantic waste of time in itself) you have to increase the volume. It is very distracting and annoying. It gets to the point where it is best to mute the broadcast. But then it's Fox where the banter is meaningless, the interruptions are extensive and the commentators are biased to the extreme.

I just look for the end results. Fox is the problem, not the series.

Absolutely agree with you on that point... that and Joe Buck is the Homerest of Homers, with absolutely no qualms about showing his bias.

**boriscleto** · 10-30-2019, 08:22 PM

Syracuse has all kinds of connections to the Nationals. The Syracuse Chiefs (now Mets) were the Nationals AAA affiliate for a decade. And Patrick Corbin is from North Syracuse...

reeftool · 10-31-2019, 07:21 AM

I haven't watched any. I've been busy and I don't really follow either team. That said, congratulations to the Nationals. I'm happy to see them win it all. After many years of struggles going back to the days of the Montreal Expos, It's great to see them as series champions and they really showed a lot of heart in winning it on the road.

I'm sure someone who knows baseball stats will chime in. Has there ever been a World Series before where neither team won a home game?

normhead · 10-31-2019, 07:24 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reeftool

I haven't watched any. I've been busy and I don't really follow either team. That said, congratulations to the Nationals. I'm happy to see them win it all. After many years of struggles going back to the days of the Montreal Expos, It's great to see them as series champions and they really showed a lot of heart in winning it on the road.

I'm sure someone who knows baseball stats will chime in. Has there ever been a World Series before where neither team won a home game?

There's never even been a series where there were 6 home loses.

**boriscleto** · 10-31-2019, 07:46 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

There's never even been a series where there were 6 home loses.

And I doubt there will ever be another with 7 home loses. There's only been 40 series that went 7 out of 114 played.

robtcorl · 10-31-2019, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

There's only been 40 series that went 7 out of 114 played.

Cards and Rangers are one of the 40, Cards winning game 7 here in 2011.
Like the Nats, the Cardinals got in the playoffs as a wild card.

**ThomSirveaux** · 10-31-2019, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

And I doubt there will ever be another with 7 home loses. There's only been 40 series that went 7 out of 114 played.

Someone mentioned that if "Take me out to the Ballgame" was literal, all 6 (now 7) games of the WS were a shame.

Since my team wasn't playing, that was a given, lol

Martin KP · 10-31-2019, 10:23 AM - **1 Like**

We play cricket in this country along with the Australians. Also England beat New Zealand at rugby in Yokohama. It's like winning the world cup.

10-30-2019, 11:07 AM - 2 Likes	#2
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	A terrible call. But nothing like the game 5 umpiring. That umpire missed call in almost every at bat, and I'm judging not by where the strike zone was supposed to be, but on his own consistency. His strike zone seemed to be totally random. He declared people "stuck out" who were never thrown a strike, and he walked people who were only thrown strikes. I've seen some really poorly umpired games... but this world series crew has redefined "incompetent." At least Angel Hernandez isn't there this year. Who can forget his 3 overturned calls in single game performance? Basicly, I am really tired of officials making the games about themselves. It's about the players. Last edited by normhead; 10-30-2019 at 11:30 AM.

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10-30-2019, 11:16 AM	#3
ThomSirveaux Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 607 Original Poster	Originally posted by normhead A terrible call. But nothing like the game 5 umpiring. That umpire missed call in almost every at bat, and I'm judging not by where the strike zone was supposed to be, but on his own consistency. His strike zone seemed to be totally random. He declared people "stuck out" who were never thrown a strike, and he walked people who were only thrown strikes. I've seen some really poorly umpired games... but this world series crew has redefined "incompetent." At least Angel Hernandez isn't there this year. Who can forget his 3 overturned calls in single game performance? It's hilarious because we're finally seeing accurate stats on called balls/strikes, thanks to modern technology. And, as it turns out, umpires kinda suck. I mean, they really suck, but it's usually not intentional. Angel Hernandez and Joe West can just go sit on a rusty spike. But, there's a lot of nuance in how the umpires set up behind the catcher, where they're looking, what their opinion of the grass is, if they're super gassy so they need to "move around" by calling more strikes, if the moon is waxing or waning, Is mercury in retrograde in relation to the rising Mars, etc, etc. The greatest argument for Robo-umps will always be real umpires.

10-30-2019, 11:41 AM	#4
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by ThomSirveaux It's hilarious because we're finally seeing accurate stats on called balls/strikes, thanks to modern technology. And, as it turns out, umpires kinda suck. I mean, they really suck, but it's usually not intentional. Angel Hernandez and Joe West can just go sit on a rusty spike. But, there's a lot of nuance in how the umpires set up behind the catcher, where they're looking, what their opinion of the grass is, if they're super gassy so they need to "move around" by calling more strikes, if the moon is waxing or waning, Is mercury in retrograde in relation to the rising Mars, etc, etc. The greatest argument for Robo-umps will always be real umpires. ' I watched a youtube video of Kerry Woods 23 strike out game. That umpires strike zone was so wide the question is, why weren't all 27 outs strike outs? I thought I was going to see great pitching. Instead, I saw really bad umpiring. Verlander's no hitter against the Jays this year was something totally different. If you watched that game, he earned his no-hitter. It's sad when you have sports degenerating to the point where you don't know if it was the players or umpires who in the end determined the outcome of the game. Many conferences in football now review every play. They just have look to see if they need to look further. Baseball should be doing the same at the professional level. If it's close, if the call was questionable, it should be automatically reviewed. Human umpires should not be asked to perform beyond the limits of human capability. And honestly, a lot of the calls these days are beyond human capability. It's not the actual umpire's fault. It's that they are doing a job they don't have the physical capacity to do well. At least not in an era of endless video angles and slo-mo replays. They need to know their limits, and it's baseball's job to bring umpiring practices up to date. I'm not an Astro's fan or a Washington fan,. I just want to see good baseball. Bad umpiring ruins the enjoyment of the game.

10-30-2019, 12:19 PM	#5
ThomSirveaux Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 607 Original Poster	Originally posted by normhead ' I watched a youtube video of Kerry Woods 23 strike out game. That umpires strike zone was so wide the question is, why weren't all 27 outs strike outs? I thought I was going to see great pitching. Instead, I saw really bad umpiring. Verlander's no hitter against the Jays this year was something totally different. If you watched that game, he earned his no-hitter. It's sad when you have sports degenerating to the point where you don't know if it was the players or umpires who in the end determined the outcome of the game. Many conferences in football now review every play. They just have look to see if they need to look further. Baseball should be doing the same at the professional level. If it's close, if the call was questionable, it should be automatically reviewed. Human umpires should not be asked to perform beyond the limits of human capability. And honestly, a lot of the calls these days are beyond human capability. It's not the actual umpire's fault. It's that they are doing a job they don't have the physical capacity to do well. At least not in an era of endless video angles and slo-mo replays. They need to know their limits, and it's baseball's job to bring umpiring practices up to date. I'm not an Astro's fan or a Washington fan,. I just want to see good baseball. Bad umpiring ruins the enjoyment of the game. I'm absolutely right there with you (though I am rooting against the Astros). Bad officiating ruins every sport, be it baseball, football, or hockey. My one qualm about the "replay" rules is that the "tie" no longer goes to the runner. Because we have slow-motion cameras watching the plays, even though the runner was less than a milisecond behind, it'll be an out, rather than a "Yeah, he met the definition of 'tie', in that, the ball vs foot interaction is <3 or 4 frames apart" or something. Since we can now almost pin-point when the ball gets into the glove and when the foot hits the bag, it does kinda make me want to go back to just eyeballing calls like that.

10-30-2019, 12:50 PM	#7
PDL Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: PNW USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,127	I only watch once in a great while. I follow the games on my phone. The main reason I do not watch them on TV is that Fox Sports has the background sound level turned up so high that in order to hear the talking heads (which is a gigantic waste of time in itself) you have to increase the volume. It is very distracting and annoying. It gets to the point where it is best to mute the broadcast. But then it's Fox where the banter is meaningless, the interruptions are extensive and the commentators are biased to the extreme. I just look for the end results. Fox is the problem, not the series.

10-30-2019, 01:43 PM	#8
ThomSirveaux Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 607 Original Poster	Originally posted by PDL I only watch once in a great while. I follow the games on my phone. The main reason I do not watch them on TV is that Fox Sports has the background sound level turned up so high that in order to hear the talking heads (which is a gigantic waste of time in itself) you have to increase the volume. It is very distracting and annoying. It gets to the point where it is best to mute the broadcast. But then it's Fox where the banter is meaningless, the interruptions are extensive and the commentators are biased to the extreme. I just look for the end results. Fox is the problem, not the series. Absolutely agree with you on that point... that and Joe Buck is the Homerest of Homers, with absolutely no qualms about showing his bias.

10-30-2019, 08:22 PM	#9
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Syracuse has all kinds of connections to the Nationals. The Syracuse Chiefs (now Mets) were the Nationals AAA affiliate for a decade. And Patrick Corbin is from North Syracuse...

10-31-2019, 07:21 AM	#10
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,553	I haven't watched any. I've been busy and I don't really follow either team. That said, congratulations to the Nationals. I'm happy to see them win it all. After many years of struggles going back to the days of the Montreal Expos, It's great to see them as series champions and they really showed a lot of heart in winning it on the road. I'm sure someone who knows baseball stats will chime in. Has there ever been a World Series before where neither team won a home game?

10-31-2019, 07:24 AM - 1 Like	#11
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by reeftool I haven't watched any. I've been busy and I don't really follow either team. That said, congratulations to the Nationals. I'm happy to see them win it all. After many years of struggles going back to the days of the Montreal Expos, It's great to see them as series champions and they really showed a lot of heart in winning it on the road. I'm sure someone who knows baseball stats will chime in. Has there ever been a World Series before where neither team won a home game? There's never even been a series where there were 6 home loses.

10-31-2019, 07:46 AM - 1 Like	#12
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by normhead There's never even been a series where there were 6 home loses. And I doubt there will ever be another with 7 home loses. There's only been 40 series that went 7 out of 114 played.

10-31-2019, 09:57 AM	#13
robtcorl Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: St Louis, MO Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,606	Originally posted by boriscleto There's only been 40 series that went 7 out of 114 played. Cards and Rangers are one of the 40, Cards winning game 7 here in 2011. Like the Nats, the Cardinals got in the playoffs as a wild card.

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10-31-2019, 10:20 AM	#14
ThomSirveaux Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 607 Original Poster	Originally posted by boriscleto And I doubt there will ever be another with 7 home loses. There's only been 40 series that went 7 out of 114 played. Someone mentioned that if "Take me out to the Ballgame" was literal, all 6 (now 7) games of the WS were a shame. Since my team wasn't playing, that was a given, lol

10-31-2019, 10:23 AM - 1 Like	#15
Martin KP Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 240	We play cricket in this country along with the Australians. Also England beat New Zealand at rugby in Yokohama. It's like winning the world cup.