[aslyfox]

for educational purposes only not further discussion

The Supreme Court
Police Power Explained
Modified date: December 22, 2019

Police Power Explained | Constitution of United States of America 1789

enjoy your readings

be warned a thorough knowledge of this area of the law takes years and keeps many an attorney gainfully employed

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[MarkJerling]

be warned a thorough knowledge of this area of the law takes years and keeps many an attorney gainfully employed

I'm reminded that having even a rudimentary or superficial knowledge of the law keeps many, many attorneys gainfully employed.

[aslyfox]

I'm reminded that having even a rudimentary or superficial knowledge of the law keeps many, many attorneys gainfully employed.

my lips are sealed

[brewmaster15]

Interesting Historical Note... Typhoid Mary was forced into isolation for 26 years in the early 1900s because she carried a deadly disease that was easily passed on and there was no real treatment for at the time
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10 Things You May Not Know About 'Typhoid Mary' - HISTORY

History ... social distancing and restricting public gatherings is not something new Governments are doing today.. its what was used during the spanish flu.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curv...c-coronavirus/


Why? Because without an effective means of treating the illness(medication) or preventing it (vaccine).. its the only tool we have that has shown itself to be effective at lowering the loss of human life.

AL

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[slartibartfast01]

"In 1918, a San Francisco health officer*shot three people*when one refused to wear a mandatory face mask."

Now there's an idea

[timb64]

"In 1918, a San Francisco health officer*shot three people*when one refused to wear a mandatory face mask."

Now there's an idea

Proportional response??!The other two were collateral damage!

[brewmaster15]

More lessons from History..

San Francisco, California and the 1918-1919 Influenza Epidemic | The American Influenza Epidemic of 1918: A Digital Encyclopedia
San Francisco, California and the 1918-1919 Influenza Epidemic | The American Influenza Epidemic of 1918: A Digital Encyclopedia

AL

[Rondec]

Well extensive testing is rolling out in New York state. It appears that some 15% or the total people tested have tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies. In New York City the current number is 24.7% or 2,100,000 people who have gotten the virus and survived it. This greatly lowers the mortality rates. Since testing is only just rolling out outside of NYC it will be interesting to see how the final numbers will turn out state wide. Here is a link to the article if anyone is interested. In about two weeks the governor plans to start reopening NY state. Government cannot function without a constant influx of revenue and New York was already running 6 billion dollar deficit before all this started.



1 in 4 in NYC May Have Been Infected, New Study Finds; Some Parts of State to ‘UNPause’ May 15 – NBC New York

There are major problems with this "study." It took 3000 people at big box stores and grocery stores around the state. In a state with several million people, that's a pretty small sample. In addition, the people who are out shopping are significantly more likely to have been exposed than those who are aggressively social distancing and are "hunkered down." It feels like a study designed to overestimate the prevalence of antibodies.

That said, based on those numbers the mortality rate is around 0.8 %. That means that if the same number of people got COVID as normally get influenza in a given season in the United States (50 million), you would have 400,000 deaths. And has been mentioned before, the odds are good that it would be significantly more than that without at least some social distancing and measures put in place to prevent the spread of the virus.

Be that as it may, the important thing to me is that states monitor new cases closely and back track if they start rise. The issue to me really isn't the (foolish) individuals who think this is no big deal and get the virus. It is the health care workers who they end up infecting as the nurses and aides do their best to care for them.

[aslyfox]

. . . It is the health care workers who they end up infecting as the nurses and aides do their best to care for them.

those who are infected by the foolish actions of others are the true victims

whether they are trying to treat the ill, or serving the rest of us or just trying their best not to be infected.

I have little sympathy for those volunteering for Darwin awards

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Proportional response??!The other two were collateral damage!

officer was armed with a shot gun ???

[brewmaster15]

Another historical piece from the spanish flu pandemic.. Minnesota epicenter.

Lessons Learned from the 1918–1919 Influenza Pandemic in Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota
Lessons Learned from the 1918?1919 Influenza Pandemic in Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota

Please note the closure of churches as well as all businesses. Its also noteworthy that there were protests against restrictions, there were acts of defiance, there was a disjointed response to the problem. There were arguments about re-openning schools.There were treatments touted including 2 "vaccines"

At least two different vaccines were administered in Minneapolis-St. Paul, neither of them effective as neither actually contained influenza virus. One made by bacteriologists at the University of Minnesota was purported to prevent pneumonia.39 The Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, made another vaccine that was intended to prevent both pneumonia and influenza.40 This latter vaccination was composed of Streptococcus pneumoniae types I, II, and III, S. pneumoniae group IV, hemolytic streptococci, Staphylococcus aureus, and “influenza bacillus.”41

Military personnel as well as civilians were inoculated beginning as early as October 4, 1918.37 Both city health departments purchased vaccine and distributed it to physicians at no charge to encourage widespread use. In Minneapolis, people desiring the vaccine “thronged” the offices of doctors hoping to be vaccinated, and in St. Paul it was reported that “thousands of persons have been inoculated.”39,42 Some physicians took advantage of their access to vaccine and the public's fear of influenza. According to St. Paul's Citizens' Committee, it was discovered that “a few physicians were charging a fat fee for inoculations.”29 This was particularly disturbing as the vaccinations were supplied to the physicians for free.

HISTORY most certainly repeats itself.You could easily change the dates by a hundred years and many should see the parallel to modern times.
AL

[aslyfox]

Originally posted by brewmaster15
Interesting Historical Note... Typhoid Mary was forced into isolation for 26 years in the early 1900s because she carried a deadly disease that was easily passed on and there was no real treatment for at the time. . . .

Why? Because without an effective means of treating the illness(medication) or preventing it (vaccine).. its the only tool we have that has shown itself to be effective at lowering the loss of human life.

more historical context

there were other tools

isolation was the humane reaction

one of the other historical reactions was more extreme and led to the death. quick or otherwise, of those suspected of possibly spreading the infection

ships suspected of carrying plague were denied the ability to land and even to get supplies until after the suspected contagious period had passed

crews and passengers died of starvation and lack of water from time to time

. . . The concept of quarantine is ancient and is mentioned in the Old Testament. The term itself is derived from the practice of the city-state of Venice during the Middle Ages of requiring ships arriving from locations known to being experiencing diseases such as the plague to anchor or moor off the port for 40 days (quaranta giorni) so that any disease on board might run its course. The practice of quarantine has varied over the centuries, but the concept of protecting the public health by restricting the movements of individuals who are suspected of possibly harboring serious disease has remained constant . . . .

https://www.maritimeprofessional.com/blogs/post/quarantine-flag-13441

[brewmaster15]

there were other tools

isolation was the humane reaction

one of the other historical reactions was more extreme and led to the death. quick or otherwise, of those suspected of possibly spreading the infection

ships suspected of carrying plague were denied the ability to land and even to get supplies until after the suspected contagious period had passed

crews and passengers died of starvation and lack of water from time to time

Allen, what other tools were there used for the spanish flu? The ship example though extreme forms of quarantine and
Closure also have remarkable parallels to today.. think of all the cruise ship incidents.
Al

[aslyfox]

Allen, what other tools were there used for the spanish flu? The ship example though extreme forms of quarantine and Closure also have remarkable parallels to today.. think of all the cruise ship incidents.
Al

on the cruise ships, those ships were not denied food and water, fuel or medical aid

Sorry other than finding out that it is suspected that the " Spanish flu " started in army bases in Kansas and other parts of the US where infected troops were then sent to WW I battlefields and that in the US there were 3 " waves " of infection, I know little about it and am not sure I want to know more

on the issue of " plague ships " there is an excellent fictional story by the author of the " Hornblower " series about a British naval vessel visiting a port to pick up supplies for the fleet where they discovered plague was occurring and the resulting struggle of the crew - " Mr. Midshipman Hornblower " by C. S. Forester.

part of the televised programs was based on some of the novel

Horatio Hornblower: The Fire Ship (1998)

Horatio Hornblower: The Fire Ship (TV Movie 1998) - IMDb

[brewmaster15]

I read all the Hornblower stories as a kid. Enjoyed them greatly.

If you change your mind about the wanting to know more about the spanish flu from a historical perspective... read the links I posted this morning. I believe they give a solid window view into alot of what we are seeing today around us and have discussed here in this thread. There is alot to learn from history.

AL

[aslyfox]

I read all the Hornblower stories as a kid. Enjoyed them greatly.

If you change your mind about the wanting to know more about the spanish flu from a historical perspective... read the links I posted this morning. I believe they give a solid window view into alot of what we are seeing today around us and have discussed here in this thread. There is alot to learn from history.

AL

that is true about learning from history but, like many things, you may have to examine the author's point of view in the way the history is written.

there are some excellent books as well on the subject of the " Spanish Flu " as well

Spain had no wartime censorship so the infections became known there, as opposed to the infections among the troops.

it then came to the US when infected troops returned home and went back to their home towns.

as far as I know, that is the current theory

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some plans in Kansas make sense:

Kansas coronavirus update: Gov. Laura Kelly says more tests needed before state can reopen

https://www.cjonline.com/news/20200427/kansas-coronavirus-update-gov-laura-k...ate-can-reopen

County releases five-tier reopening plan

https://www.cjonline.com/news/20200423/county-releases-five-tier-reopening-plan

will they follow through despite the protests?

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some don't

Shawnee County could open pools Memorial Day weekend

https://www.cjonline.com/news/20200427/shawnee-county-could-open-pools-memorial-day-weekend