My favourite word - "Lense" and possibly other typos

slartibartfast01 · 07-13-2020, 07:22 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by stevebrot

"Disconnection" is much more acceptable.

Steve

Definitely. Which reminds me how much "Definately" annoys me.

stevebrot · 07-13-2020, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by slartibartfast01

Definitely. Which reminds me how much "Definately" annoys me.

One word sentences annoy me. 'Nuff?

Steve

Benz3ne · 07-13-2020, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by photoptimist

Mine: "orientated" GRRR!

Interestingly, I don't really see this one as incorrect. Otherwise wouldn't "orientation" be incorrect, in favour of 'oriention'? [Legitimate question.]

I'm just being persnickety here, it's taught in British English (customary here in UK) as orientated (e.g. the object has been orientated by 90 degrees), where 'orient' is more reserved for describing something 'Eastern'.
Either can be used here, really. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who understands one and not the other in the same context.

**dwalt** · 07-13-2020, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by Benz3ne

Interestingly, I don't really see this one as incorrect. Otherwise wouldn't "orientation" be incorrect, in favour of 'oriention'? [Legitimate question.]

I'm just being persnickety here, it's taught in British English (customary here in UK) as orientated (e.g. the object has been orientated by 90 degrees), where 'orient' is more reserved for describing something 'Eastern'.
Either can be used here, really. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who understands one and not the other in the same context.

This always strike my ear as odd. I like to listen to audio books, especially Craig Thomas (Firefox, Firefox Down). He uses the word orientated and it always drops me out of following the story........
He also likes the word "stertorous" which I rarely hear.

timb64 · 07-13-2020, 08:14 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by swanlefitte

Ask either and the response is never, "yes" or "no". These phrases are used as the command, "Bring me a...." They are both used to make it sound nice. No one goes to a food outlet hoping for permission to have food. Perhaps that is the bigger evil?

I accept, it's me being pedantic, but isn't that what this type of thread is about,personal dislikes?

The phrasing "Can I get..." just really grates with me

. It's the server doing the "go getting", hence the question "What can I get you?", otherwise it's self-service

bxf · 07-13-2020, 08:23 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by timb64

At the bar or other food/drink outlet

“Can I get ........?”

No,no,no....it’s “May I have...” or “Could you please get me......”

Although I understand your objective, your example of "may I" is not really appropriate, as you would not really be asking permission. I'd say the second example is correct.

Parallax · 07-13-2020, 08:56 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by bxf

I'd say the second example is correct.

Not necessarily, depending on where you are. The second example is still asking a question, which is unnecessary; polite, but unnecessary in a restaurant. The server or order taker in a commercial establishment has a contractual obligation to his or her employer to do a job, part of which is to serve you, take your order, etc. I'd argue also that they have an implied obligation to the customer by virtue of being there.
"I'll have the pot roast and mashed potatoes. Thank you." or, as a reply to "May I help you?" "Yes thanks, I'll have a Whopper and a small order of fries." Both examples are directive and polite.

At the home dinner table (your own of someone else's) because the person you're asking has no obligation to pass you anything. "May I have some more soup?" and "Would you pass the taters, please?" are appropriate.

bxf · 07-13-2020, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

The second example is still asking a question, which is unnecessary; polite, but unnecessary in a restaurant

Agreed. This has become common, but as you say, there is no need to ask, as if refusal was an option. One could argue, though, that there is the chance the desired product is not available, so saying "could I have" would accommodate such a possibility .

lesmore49 · 07-13-2020, 10:24 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Parallax

Not necessarily, depending on where you are. The second example is still asking a question, which is unnecessary; polite, but unnecessary in a restaurant. The server or order taker in a commercial establishment has a contractual obligation to his or her employer to do a job, part of which is to serve you, take your order, etc. I'd argue also that they have an implied obligation to the customer by virtue of being there.
"I'll have the pot roast and mashed potatoes. Thank you." or, as a reply to "May I help you?" "Yes thanks, I'll have a Whopper and a small order of fries." Both examples are directive and polite.

At the home dinner table (your own of someone else's) because the person you're asking has no obligation to pass you anything. "May I have some more soup?" and "Would you pass the taters, please?" are appropriate.

It always comes down to taters....doesn't it .

stevebrot · 07-13-2020, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by bxf

Although I understand your objective, your example of "may I" is not really appropriate, as you would not really be asking permission. I'd say the second example is correct.

I disagree. There are times when we may not because they cannot.

Steve

bertwert · 07-13-2020, 11:52 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by timb64

I accept, it's me being pedantic, but isn't that what this type of thread is about,personal dislikes?

The phrasing "Can I get..." just really grates with me

. It's the server doing the "go getting", hence the question "What can I get you?", otherwise it's self-service

I go with the phrasing "I'll have the... ...please." It sounds okay and isn't impolite

SpecialK · 07-13-2020, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by timb64

The phrasing "Can I get..." just really grates with me

. It's the server doing the "go getting", hence the question "What can I get you?", otherwise it's self-service

Get can mean acquire, without the going.

lesmore49 · 07-13-2020, 02:56 PM - **1 Like**

I remember my son (about 12 years old then) and I going just across the border into the USA, about two decades ago, to watch the Sprint cars in action. The races were great and just before my son and I left to make the night journey home to Canada, we stopped off at a McDonald's to get a bite to eat. We ordered our food and the serving lady asked if we were Canadian.

I replied yes we were, but how did she know ? She said....' well you paid for your burgers with that Canuck funny money and that's always a tip off.

'

I'm just making that part up.

We paid with American dollars.

She really said, that she could tell we were Canadian because we ordered by starting our order with 'please' and ended it with a 'thank you.'

She was right, and I know over the years many can tell a Canadian by our sometimes tendency to overdo it on politeness.

Thank you,

Les

SpecialK · 07-13-2020, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

"An SR 500..."?

...begins with a noun...

I before E except: after C; and in words that sound like a long "a", e.g., neighbor and weigh; nor in "weird science", and "caffeine".

**rod_grant** · 07-13-2020, 03:37 PM - **2 Likes**

How about the use of the plural word “they”, when he or she would be appropriate?
As in, “The driver was tested for drugs, and they were found to be ...”. I mean, how many drivers were there?

07-13-2020, 08:14 AM - 1 Like	#275
timb64 Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: /Situation : Doing my best to avoid idiots! Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,510	Originally posted by swanlefitte Ask either and the response is never, "yes" or "no". These phrases are used as the command, "Bring me a...." They are both used to make it sound nice. No one goes to a food outlet hoping for permission to have food. Perhaps that is the bigger evil? I accept, it's me being pedantic, but isn't that what this type of thread is about,personal dislikes? The phrasing "Can I get..." just really grates with me. It's the server doing the "go getting", hence the question "What can I get you?", otherwise it's self-service

07-13-2020, 11:52 AM - 1 Like	#281
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by timb64 I accept, it's me being pedantic, but isn't that what this type of thread is about,personal dislikes? The phrasing "Can I get..." just really grates with me. It's the server doing the "go getting", hence the question "What can I get you?", otherwise it's self-service I go with the phrasing "I'll have the... ...please." It sounds okay and isn't impolite

07-13-2020, 11:55 AM	#282
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,481	Originally posted by timb64 The phrasing "Can I get..." just really grates with me. It's the server doing the "go getting", hence the question "What can I get you?", otherwise it's self-service Get can mean acquire, without the going.

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07-13-2020, 07:22 AM - 1 Like	#271
slartibartfast01 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,931	Originally posted by stevebrot "Disconnection" is much more acceptable. Steve Definitely. Which reminds me how much "Definately" annoys me.

07-13-2020, 07:27 AM	#272
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by slartibartfast01 Definitely. Which reminds me how much "Definately" annoys me. One word sentences annoy me. 'Nuff? Steve

07-13-2020, 07:31 AM	#273
Benz3ne Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Cymru Posts: 2,356	Originally posted by photoptimist Mine: "orientated" GRRR! Interestingly, I don't really see this one as incorrect. Otherwise wouldn't "orientation" be incorrect, in favour of 'oriention'? [Legitimate question.] I'm just being persnickety here, it's taught in British English (customary here in UK) as orientated (e.g. the object has been orientated by 90 degrees), where 'orient' is more reserved for describing something 'Eastern'. Either can be used here, really. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who understands one and not the other in the same context.

07-13-2020, 07:53 AM	#274
dwalt Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Big Sky, MT Photos: Albums Posts: 217	Originally posted by Benz3ne Interestingly, I don't really see this one as incorrect. Otherwise wouldn't "orientation" be incorrect, in favour of 'oriention'? [Legitimate question.] I'm just being persnickety here, it's taught in British English (customary here in UK) as orientated (e.g. the object has been orientated by 90 degrees), where 'orient' is more reserved for describing something 'Eastern'. Either can be used here, really. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who understands one and not the other in the same context. This always strike my ear as odd. I like to listen to audio books, especially Craig Thomas (Firefox, Firefox Down). He uses the word orientated and it always drops me out of following the story........ He also likes the word "stertorous" which I rarely hear.

07-13-2020, 08:23 AM - 1 Like	#276
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by timb64 At the bar or other food/drink outlet “Can I get ........?” No,no,no....it’s “May I have...” or “Could you please get me......” Although I understand your objective, your example of "may I" is not really appropriate, as you would not really be asking permission. I'd say the second example is correct.

07-13-2020, 08:56 AM - 2 Likes	#277
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by bxf I'd say the second example is correct. Not necessarily, depending on where you are. The second example is still asking a question, which is unnecessary; polite, but unnecessary in a restaurant. The server or order taker in a commercial establishment has a contractual obligation to his or her employer to do a job, part of which is to serve you, take your order, etc. I'd argue also that they have an implied obligation to the customer by virtue of being there. "I'll have the pot roast and mashed potatoes. Thank you." or, as a reply to "May I help you?" "Yes thanks, I'll have a Whopper and a small order of fries." Both examples are directive and polite. At the home dinner table (your own of someone else's) because the person you're asking has no obligation to pass you anything. "May I have some more soup?" and "Would you pass the taters, please?" are appropriate.

07-13-2020, 10:15 AM	#278
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by Parallax The second example is still asking a question, which is unnecessary; polite, but unnecessary in a restaurant Agreed. This has become common, but as you say, there is no need to ask, as if refusal was an option. One could argue, though, that there is the chance the desired product is not available, so saying "could I have" would accommodate such a possibility .

07-13-2020, 10:24 AM - 3 Likes	#279
lesmore49 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Western Canada Posts: 12,346	Originally posted by Parallax Not necessarily, depending on where you are. The second example is still asking a question, which is unnecessary; polite, but unnecessary in a restaurant. The server or order taker in a commercial establishment has a contractual obligation to his or her employer to do a job, part of which is to serve you, take your order, etc. I'd argue also that they have an implied obligation to the customer by virtue of being there. "I'll have the pot roast and mashed potatoes. Thank you." or, as a reply to "May I help you?" "Yes thanks, I'll have a Whopper and a small order of fries." Both examples are directive and polite. At the home dinner table (your own of someone else's) because the person you're asking has no obligation to pass you anything. "May I have some more soup?" and "Would you pass the taters, please?" are appropriate. It always comes down to taters....doesn't it .

07-13-2020, 11:10 AM	#280
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by bxf Although I understand your objective, your example of "may I" is not really appropriate, as you would not really be asking permission. I'd say the second example is correct. I disagree. There are times when we may not because they cannot. Steve

07-13-2020, 02:56 PM - 1 Like	#283
lesmore49 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Western Canada Posts: 12,346	I remember my son (about 12 years old then) and I going just across the border into the USA, about two decades ago, to watch the Sprint cars in action. The races were great and just before my son and I left to make the night journey home to Canada, we stopped off at a McDonald's to get a bite to eat. We ordered our food and the serving lady asked if we were Canadian. I replied yes we were, but how did she know ? She said....' well you paid for your burgers with that Canuck funny money and that's always a tip off. ' I'm just making that part up. We paid with American dollars. She really said, that she could tell we were Canadian because we ordered by starting our order with 'please' and ended it with a 'thank you.' She was right, and I know over the years many can tell a Canadian by our sometimes tendency to overdo it on politeness. Thank you, Les

07-13-2020, 03:06 PM	#284
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,481	Originally posted by stevebrot "An SR 500..."? ...begins with a noun... I before E except: after C; and in words that sound like a long "a", e.g., neighbor and weigh; nor in "weird science", and "caffeine".

07-13-2020, 03:37 PM - 2 Likes	#285
rod_grant Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wangaratta, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,951	How about the use of the plural word “they”, when he or she would be appropriate? As in, “The driver was tested for drugs, and they were found to be ...”. I mean, how many drivers were there?