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09-17-2021, 03:43 PM - 2 Likes   #1516
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To those who got the shot(s): why do you give a damn if I'm vaccinated or not, unless the shot is of no effect - and should not, therefore, be called a vaccine at all.

I've been vaccinated against polio (along with other diseases), and don't care if you have the polio virus in my presence.

Any other medical product would have been pulled from the market long before it had killed or caused other health issues to the extent seen with this product. And let's be clear, this is a (highly profitable) product. And, I have no issues with drug companies making a profit.

BTW, I've had covid - yet some insist I still get the shot. This is not rational thinking, just mindless emotional panic.

Health uber alles! Bring any policy to bear, no matter the cost.

Get your shot. I'll take my chances.

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09-17-2021, 04:36 PM - 6 Likes   #1517
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nakedgun Quote
To those who got the shot(s): why do you give a damn if I'm vaccinated or not, unless the shot is of no effect - and should not, therefore, be called a vaccine at all.

I've been vaccinated against polio (along with other diseases), and don't care if you have the polio virus in my presence.

Any other medical product would have been pulled from the market long before it had killed or caused other health issues to the extent seen with this product. And let's be clear, this is a (highly profitable) product. And, I have no issues with drug companies making a profit.

BTW, I've had covid - yet some insist I still get the shot. This is not rational thinking, just mindless emotional panic.

Health uber alles! Bring any policy to bear, no matter the cost.

Get your shot. I'll take my chances..
“Natural immunity” from having been infected is already known to be less ‘powerful’ and shorter lasting than what results from being vaccinated.
My daughter - who works in retail - had already survived two cases of Covid before it was her turn to be vacinnated.
On CNN last night, they talked with a man who sat for several hours in an ER waiting room - ‘slammed’ caring for Covid cases - with his son;
by the time they got to his son, the appendix had burst …. fortunately he seems to be OK.
That is why we care - the health care we get is diminished because health care resources are diverted to care for the unvaccinated.
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Just got my booster shot about an hour ago.

Here is a disturbing site:
What do you feel now?
I am wondering if the side effect will be in what level when compare to the second shot?
I guess if it has any side effect, you might be getting it right now on the second day onward?

As for the website, well... let's put it this way. I usually don't try to convince any anti-vaccine people because I in fact couldn't care less if they will live or die.
I don't even have a sympathy to the anti-vaccine people seen in many interviewing clip where they are already in a hospital say that they should have gotten a vaccine earlier, etc.
Actuary, I care more if they will take away available doctor and hospital beds from the non-covid19 patients who might urgently need one (or people with some kind of condition and really can not get a covid's vaccine).
But keep in mind, there is no way to convince the anti-vaccine people.
They go from COVID-19 is fake to a kind of admit that it is NOT FAKE but still say something like it is just a nonsense panic.
They ignore the fact that the hospital were / is filling up with COVID patients in so many countries around the world that why people panic. And when too many get sick everything in the society can't be functioned as usual, we all suffer, etc.
Again, you can't convince selfish people like that to do something for society regardless of what country they are in.
If I want to say something, I usually just tell them to "not go to hospital if they ever get sick by COVID". because I really wish all of these people didn't go to hospital when they get COVID. I really have no problem if they all stay home and get better (good for them) or die (I don't care). But too bad, Not all of them put money where mouth is.

Don't spend energy and time to convince people like that. Let's go, well, I will go out and take more photo after everyone at home receive the second shot and be happy with my new photo post on Instagram and here.

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09-17-2021, 06:18 PM   #1519
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nakedgun Quote
To those who got the shot(s): why do you give a damn if I'm vaccinated or not, unless the shot is of no effect - and should not, therefore, be called a vaccine at all.

I've been vaccinated against polio (along with other diseases), and don't care if you have the polio virus in my presence.

Any other medical product would have been pulled from the market long before it had killed or caused other health issues to the extent seen with this product. And let's be clear, this is a (highly profitable) product. And, I have no issues with drug companies making a profit.

BTW, I've had covid - yet some insist I still get the shot. This is not rational thinking, just mindless emotional panic.

Health uber alles! Bring any policy to bear, no matter the cost.

Get your shot. I'll take my chances.

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Bless your heart.

09-17-2021, 07:20 PM   #1520
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nakedgun Quote

Health uber alles!
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yes please.
09-17-2021, 07:27 PM - 2 Likes   #1521
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Any other medical product would have been pulled from the market long before it had killed or caused other health issues to the extent seen with this product.
I can only imagine what you could possibly be referring to. I'm not sure you even know because you didn't even make a note to mention it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nakedgun Quote

Any other medical product would have been pulled from the market long before it had killed or caused other health issues to the extent seen with this product. And let's be clear, this is a (highly profitable) product. And, I have no issues with drug companies making a profit.

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Please explain these statements. It isn’t clear what you are referring to.

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QuoteOriginally posted by tokyoscape Quote
What do you feel now?
I am wondering if the side effect will be in what level when compare to the second shot?
I guess if it has any side effect, you might be getting it right now on the second day onward?
Since it is still "today" there is no effect.
I had no "effect" in the two earlier shots, nothing, nada, zip. No side effects at all, my other arm was more sore (I got the flu shot a week ago in my "other" arm.)
I am sort of bummed that it appears that I can't even claim faux sickness to get a little sympathy.

QuoteOriginally posted by tokyoscape Quote
As for the website, well... let's put it this way. I usually don't try to convince any anti-vaccine people because I in fact couldn't care less if they will live or die.
I don't even have a sympathy to the anti-vaccine people seen in many interviewing clip where they are already in a hospital say that they should have gotten a vaccine earlier, etc.
Actuary, I care more if they will take away available doctor and hospital beds from the non-covid19 patients who might urgently need one (or people with some kind of condition and really can not get a covid's vaccine).
But keep in mind, there is no way to convince the anti-vaccine people.
They go from COVID-19 is fake to a kind of admit that it is NOT FAKE but still say something like it is just a nonsense panic.
They ignore the fact that the hospital were / is filling up with COVID patients in so many countries around the world that why people panic. And when too many get sick everything in the society can't be functioned as usual, we all suffer, etc.
Again, you can't convince selfish people like that to do something for society regardless of what country they are in.
If I want to say something, I usually just tell them to "not go to hospital if they ever get sick by COVID". because I really wish all of these people didn't go to hospital when they get COVID. I really have no problem if they all stay home and get better (good for them) or die (I don't care). But too bad, Not all of them put money where mouth is.

Don't spend energy and time to convince people like that. Let's go, well, I will go out and take more photo after everyone at home receive the second shot and be happy with my new photo post on Instagram and here.
My state is under some pressure from Idaho where the government is not enforcing masks, social distancing etc. Their hospitals are full and the overflow is flowing into Spokane to such an extent that all "regular" procedures have been canceled, the ER and ICU's are full of Idaho citizens. So, if you are in far Eastern Washington, don't get into a car wreck, have a heart attack or need emergency services.
On the news, even Texas is calling this hospital to see if they can transfer patients.

I care about the Anti-Vaccine people, because I live in a reasonably high density area and sick people spread diseases. Having Covid-19 is not a "cure", there are many documented instances where people who are not vaccinated getting infected more than once. Getting Covid-19 "naturally" can lead to long term effects, which are not all that pleasant and appear last a long time.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Racer X 69 Quote
Please explain these statements. It isn’t clear what you are referring to.
I got a mixed dose, AZ as my first one and Pfizer as my second.
It was cool having Bill Gates talking in my head with an Oxford accent.
Creepy at the same time, but cool nonetheless.

We may as well talk about these kinds of side effects, as that is all there is.

I feel sorry for that friend of Niki Minaj’s cousin. Having his life ruined because the doctor who did his vaccination missed his shoulder by a couple of feet and ninety degrees.
Or maybe it was a truth or dare scenario.
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It was cool having Bill Gates talking in my head with an Oxford accent.
Creepy at the same time, but cool nonetheless.
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My better half saw a cartoon of Bill the Gates.
First Panel: Well, I could not get the microchip into all the vaccines.
Second Panel: But I did get them into horse de-wormer.

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09-18-2021, 12:01 AM - 4 Likes   #1526
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nakedgun Quote
To those who got the shot(s): why do you give a damn if I'm vaccinated or not, unless the shot is of no effect - and should not, therefore, be called a vaccine at all.

I've been vaccinated against polio (along with other diseases), and don't care if you have the polio virus in my presence.

Any other medical product would have been pulled from the market long before it had killed or caused other health issues to the extent seen with this product. And let's be clear, this is a (highly profitable) product. And, I have no issues with drug companies making a profit.

BTW, I've had covid - yet some insist I still get the shot. This is not rational thinking, just mindless emotional panic.

Health uber alles! Bring any policy to bear, no matter the cost.

Get your shot. I'll take my chances.

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I do care, because the vaccines have a protective effect that is not a 100% guarantee of immunity.
I do care, because if you were to catch the bug again and be in the presence of, say, my grandma, who is nearing 90 and whose immune system isn't in peak condition anymore, you'd be putting her at risk even though she is vaccinated.

You are welcome to take your chances.
Just not to make the rest of us have to take ours.

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I can only imagine what you could possibly be referring to. I'm not sure you even know because you didn't even make a note to mention it.
The day people see the side effects proven to happen with Viagra... Not the first time someone makes the news for having a heart attack.
(Hint: the "intended" effect is actually a side effect).
09-18-2021, 02:56 AM - 4 Likes   #1527
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nakedgun Quote
To those who got the shot(s): why do you give a damn if I'm vaccinated or not, unless the shot is of no effect - and should not, therefore, be called a vaccine at all.

I've been vaccinated against polio (along with other diseases), and don't care if you have the polio virus in my presence.

Any other medical product would have been pulled from the market long before it had killed or caused other health issues to the extent seen with this product. And let's be clear, this is a (highly profitable) product. And, I have no issues with drug companies making a profit.

BTW, I've had covid - yet some insist I still get the shot. This is not rational thinking, just mindless emotional panic.

Health uber alles! Bring any policy to bear, no matter the cost.

Get your shot. I'll take my chances.

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I think most of us want life to get back to normal and we feel that vaccines are the most effective way to see that happen. Nothing is 100 percent. We know that vaccines are most effective about two weeks after the second dose and then immunity begins to wane. This means that six or seven months down the road (particularly with the Pfizer vaccine) you can start to see breakthrough cases. Most of these are still mild, but some people will be sicker.

The same is true of "naturally acquired immunity" and while that may wane a little slower than with some of the vaccines, it too can drop over time and so we start the cycle again.

I have no interest in twisting people's arms to make them do what they don't want to do, but I do want to see cases, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID fall. People who had COVID and get a vaccine booster series seem to have the best immunity against all strains of COVID. AAAS Anyway, it sounds like your mind is already made up so, good luck!
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Thank you, no.
I'm 74 and fighting stage 4 cancer.
I will get the booster and continue to double mask to help protect myself from people like you.
You say you've had covid, so it's possible you've passed it on and actually killed someone. (SMH)
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I will be 65 at the end of Jan 2022

Out of shape, type II diabetes, cancer and other issues

I hope all those who are not told by qualified medical professionals that they know to not get vaccinated because of their health issues

Get vaccinated

Why because unless I know you and I don't like you I hope the best for you and yours and it makes it safer for me and mine

Booster bring it on

Flu shot got it already

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Best of luck Bob

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Facts have very little* to do with fantasies.

* – at the heart of every successful lie is a grain of truth that seeds the wider belief.
In this case, it appears to be breakthrough infections and a complete and willful level of ignorance surrounding medical science.
The grain of truth is that the vaccines are not 100% effective. That feeds the lie.
I do wish these people would show the courage of their convictions and stay at home to recover or die on their own rather than plugging up the health care system.
I do wish the health care system would stop giving vaccine refusers priority over vaccinated people with other maladies when they present at the hospital.
Those of us who are vaccinated have done our part for society at large, and yet our reward for that seems to be getting forced into a lower tier of health care as the system rewards the irresponsible among us.

In my area, cancer treatments are now on hold due to covid patients taking up all the resources.
Why should a fully vaccinated cancer patient die prematurely to save the lives of those who are nothing more than hypocritical leaches?
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