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11-30-2021, 03:38 PM   #2371
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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
Human rights do vary by country, don't they?
We have to wait and see what happens in Austria once it becomes compulsory.



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QuoteOriginally posted by slartibartfast01 Quote
Well not quite.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/14/fact-check-viruses-c...ly/7839167002/



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Interesting idea.
BBC News - Covid: Greece to fine over-60s who refuse Covid-19 vaccine
Covid: Greece to fine over-60s who refuse Covid-19 vaccine - BBC News
All that article says is that "sometimes" viruses mutate to be more deadly. Mostly, however, viruses become less deadly. We only need to look at something like Ebola which is super deadly and kills between 6 and 16 days after infection (usually). That's one of the reasons why Ebola has seldom managed to infect that many people. It's too good at killing. Then, on the other hand we have common cold viruses which are often corona viruses. Very good at replicating and spreading from person to person but seldom deadly. It's highly likely that Covid will, in due course, be just another common cold. Of course, it's early days (in terms of the evolution / mutation of a virus) and time will tell.
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All that article says is that "sometimes" viruses mutate to be more deadly. Mostly, however, viruses become less deadly. We only need to look at something like Ebola which is super deadly and kills between 6 and 16 days after infection (usually). That's one of the reasons why Ebola has seldom managed to infect that many people. It's too good at killing. Then, on the other hand we have common cold viruses which are often corona viruses. Very good at replicating and spreading from person to person but seldom deadly. It's highly likely that Covid will, in due course, be just another common cold. Of course, it's early days (in terms of the evolution / mutation of a virus) and time will tell.
So until you are sure the mutation is less deadly it makes sense to treat it as if it could be more deadly.

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It makes sense to look at the evidence and see whether the bulk of evidence suggests that Omicron produces milder symptoms or not. At this (early) stage, it looks like it produces milder symptoms. It also looks like it's more transmissible. But, more research and data is needed to confirm those initial ideas.

I don't think there's any sense in treating it as "more deadly" as yet, just like there's no sense in treating it as "less deadly" as yet.

At this stage, it seems that 90% or more Covid infections in parts of South Africa are with the Omicron variant and there's a big spike in infection numbers but no resultant spike in hospitalizations and deaths. That seems to indicate mild infection with this variant.

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Also, interestingly, Omicron was spreading in Europe before it was found in South Africa. It will be interesting to see if it displaces Delta as the dominant variant in Europe.
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QuoteOriginally posted by MarkJerling Quote
Also, interestingly, Omicron was spreading in Europe before it was found in South Africa. It will be interesting to see if it displaces Delta as the dominant variant in Europe.
this is what I have found about that

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The new Covid-19 variant, Omicron, was present in the Netherlands earlier than previously thought, officials say.

It was identified in two test samples taken in the country between 19 and 23 November, which is before the variant was first reported by South Africa.

It is not clear whether those who took the tests had visited southern Africa. . . .
Covid: Omicron variant in Netherlands earlier than thought - BBC News

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Covid: WHO urges those at risk from disease to delay travel if not fully vaccinated

The World Health Organization has said people who are unwell or vulnerable should delay travel to Covid hotspots if they are not completely vaccinated.

In its latest travel advisory, the UN agency includes in that category people over 60, and those with conditions like heart disease, cancer and diabetes. . . .
Covid: WHO urges those at risk from disease to delay travel if not fully vaccinated - BBC News
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QuoteOriginally posted by MarkJerling Quote
It will be interesting to see if it displaces Delta as the dominant variant in Europe.
I think that will be up to the media.

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Gotta give it to them - This is quite a brilliant idea!

Vienna brothel offers free entry to those willing to get Covid-19 jab on-site
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I caught a cold. Started on Saturday evening, in my sinuses, last evening it moved into my chest.

But hey, I tested negative for Covid last Friday.
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I caught a cold. Started on Saturday evening, in my sinuses, last evening it moved into my chest.

But hey, I tested negative for Covid last Friday.
My son, DIL, and and my two grandchildren were here for Thanksgiving. My granddaughter turned 5 while they were here. My grandson, a ten month old Petri dish, had a cold, (or flu, plague, croup, denque fever, whoknowswhat). I'm just waiting for symptoms to appear.
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QuoteOriginally posted by slartibartfast01 Quote
We have to wait and see what happens in Austria once it becomes compulsory.
In Austria a month in jail if you refuse. At least that is how plans looks like.

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QuoteOriginally posted by jersey Quote
In Austria a month in jail if you refuse. At least that is how plans looks like.
Where did you see that? This link just talks about fines.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/austria-considers-e7200...-unvaccinated/

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Today polish newspaper.
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QuoteOriginally posted by slartibartfast01 Quote
Interesting idea.
BBC News - Covid: Greece to fine over-60s who refuse Covid-19 vaccine
Covid: Greece to fine over-60s who refuse Covid-19 vaccine - BBC News
Every country should be doing this by this point in time, in combinations with banning the unvaccinated from public buildings, public transport, cinemas, theatres, restaurants etc. Basically any place that people congregate.

In the last couple of weeks here in Spain, people who had previously not gotten the vaccine have come forward due to an increased threat of a disrupted christmas period and various regions introducing vaccine passport schemes for access to restaurants etc. All the pressure that can be applied should be, anything else is irresponsible .

On a separate note, given that the spike protein is both the target of the vaccine and the virus's key to getting into cells, it will be interesting to see if the mutations it needs to evade the vaccine also impact it's ability to infect.
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In Austria a month in jail if you refuse. At least that is how plans looks like.
wow! But I guess, the hardcore one might be willing to be jailed? I'm just guessing, I can not really understand what the vaccine hesitancy people are thinking anyway. IMO, their action or better say lack of action are the whole reason for hospital overloaded, multiple lockdown, late reopening, economic damage, etc
Anyway, hope people grow up and think more for the society they are living in. Nobody wants this virus. In a normal time, nobody wants to wear a mask and get vaccine, but it's not hard to understand we are not in a normal time. We all see what happened last winter.

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