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01-04-2022, 02:49 AM   #3031
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If you want to take a break from the mainstream media paid-for drivel and ingest some actual information for thinking people I would recommend starting with this fairly easy to digest article.

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Epoch Times.

More slanted journalism.

No, thank you.

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Calling the Epoch Times "Actual Information" is pretty charitable.

That, of course, is not to say that there aren't smidgens of truth in their articles. But I don't want to sift through the obvious "alternative facts" when I can read actual sources.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Serkevan Quote
Calling the Epoch Times "Actual Information" is pretty charitable.



That, of course, is not to say that there aren't smidgens of truth in their articles. But I don't want to sift through the obvious "alternative facts" when I can read actual sources.
That article might as well be a press release, all the info comes from just one source.

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I am so grateful for the natural selection
That was a selection from their printed reading matter, the last time I looked.

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I guess I can't really tell how this vaccine differs from Novavax. That is supposedly spike protein as well, but has finally finished Phase 3 trials (I think it is available in some countries, but they are applying for FDA emergency approval right now). It does seem a bit self-serving to claim that the only vaccine that is safe is one that you are trying to get support for. I also think it is a bit late arriving -- the issue right now for all vaccine candidates is that Omicron has enough shifting of the spike protein that I don't know how well any of the vaccines will hold up.

Somehow when you bring up mRNA you get a lot of angst from people. But Coronaviruses are composed of mRNA. Why it would be better to get infected with a coronavirus's mRNA and yet the vaccine, with a relatively small segment of mRNA is beyond me.
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
Science is continually learning, and adjusting as conditions change.
That does not means that they are constantly “changing their minds” ….
the facts are changing, and they are adjusting to reflect the changing conditions.
For example, Dr. Fauci originally said we common folk should save masks for the professionals -
the local industries responded to the need {Governor of Indiana arranged for clothing companies to manufacture PPE,
and set up a web site to sell them}, and people like my sister starting sewing them.

They originally said people should make heavy use of hand sanitizer, but over time learned that most transmission is via air droplets.
At one time, the best science was that the world was flat and that drilling a hole in a person's skull in the presence of a goat was a cure for insanity.
While science has moved on, I expect there are still people out there who are convinced that pictures taken from the ISS are somehow doctored and who keep a power drill and a goat just in case.

We are seeing similar things with this pandemic. People hear what was said early on, and have made the erroneous decision to claim that the scientists "keep changing their minds" rather than that the scientists are learning as they go.

There is a rather large group of people who have decided that their willful ignorance is a virtue rather than a character flaw. Sadly, this same group is very close to grabbing the levers of power, and if they manage it, God help us all.

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Big Pharma has turned into a dirty word and perhaps for good reasons. They haven't always behaved well in the past and there have been different cover ups through the years. At the same time, they have developed quite a bit of know-how through the years and it was helpful to bring that to bear on the issues surrounding COVID. While there have been around 850,000 deaths in the US from COVID, there could have been many more than that.
There could also have been a lot fewer, had there been competent leadership at the helm. Canada has had just over 30k deaths from covid, or about 1/3 the number of deaths in the USA when corrected for population.
Why? Mostly because we have had competent leadership throughout the pandemic who have been unified in their messaging.

---------- Post added Jan 4th, 2022 at 09:09 AM ----------

QuoteOriginally posted by akptc Quote
If you want to take a break from the mainstream media paid-for drivel and ingest some actual information for thinking people I would recommend starting with this fairly easy to digest article.

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You are joking I hope. The epoch times dispensing actual information for thinking people?
All I can say is I'm glad I didn't have a mouthful of coffee when I read your post.

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01-04-2022, 08:27 AM   #3037
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Please get vaccinated and boosted when you can

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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Tuesday updated its COVID-19 vaccine guidance, recommending that those who received the Pfizer shot get a booster five months after getting their second shot instead of six.

Driving the news: The move comes a day after the Food and Drug Administration expanded vaccine booster eligibility, allowing 12- to 15-year-olds to receive a third shot. The FDA also shortened the amount of time people must wait between receiving a second shot and booster from six to five months.
CDC shortens Pfizer booster wait time to 5 months after vaccine
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- wear a qualified mask, not a cloth one

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We talked to two infectious disease specialists to determine the best face mask and face covering to protect yourself against the coronavirus in 2022, given the rapidly changing landscape. Their advice is below, followed by some updated recommendations based on their expertise. . . .

an N95 respirator is the most protective face covering that you can get against omicron and other viruses. An N95 is a disposable face covering that filters out at least 95% of airborne particles.

"An N95 is the best, if you can get it,". . . One popular alternative to the N95 mask is the KN95 mask, which is the Chinese equivalent of the US standard. KN95s are made from the same material as N95s and are also designed to filter at least 95% of airborne particles. Another alternative is the KF94, the South Korean equivalent to an N95, which has a slightly different shape and 94% filtration efficacy.. . .

Whether you're wearing an N95, a KN95 or a KF94, it won't be completely effective unless the face mask fits your face properly. "Make sure it fits snugly, without gaps around your nose, face and mouth," Bollinger said. This is why these masks typically have an adjustable nose wire for a better fit. . . .
https://www.cnet.com/health/medical/best-face-mask/


- maintain social distancing

- remember that the Delta variant [ the more dangerous one ] is still here

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latest from Kansas

Kansas Jan 3, 2022 Covic 19 report
omicron variant cases have been found in the State including in my county

yesterday
14,626 new cases
7 day trend rising
43 new deaths

total cases 535,014
total deaths 7,049

[ estimated population in Kansas' largest city - Wichita - 397,532 according to 2020 census ]

7 day trend:
65 counties rising
15 counties falling
25 counties flat

Shawnee County [ where I live ]
1,122new cases
7 day trend rising
0 new deaths

total cases 32,163
total deaths 478


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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
I guess I can't really tell how this vaccine differs from Novavax. That is supposedly spike protein as well, but has finally finished Phase 3 trials (I think it is available in some countries, but they are applying for FDA emergency approval right now). It does seem a bit self-serving to claim that the only vaccine that is safe is one that you are trying to get support for.
It does seem remarkably similar.


I don't want to mention Wakefield, but this guy's rhetoric is very, very similar to the initial anti-MMR diatribes ("The other products are not tested/dangerous/bad, please buy mine instead, on the basis of "trust me". Don't use the approved ones"). And that was enough to get all of us in the antivaxx mess.
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My brother tested positive for covid on Christmas. He is a teacher and his students had it. He is boosted but still had 5 days very sick at home. He doesn't know the strain.

Covid is like the Mob. Tell ya what were gonna do. We either kill you, or you take da 3 shots and we beat you silly, Capiche?
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Glad to hear it was no worse for you than that, Ed: a work colleague had three weeks of foulness then a couple of months to get back to normal and another friend has been left with permanent cardiovascular damage. We’re fully vaccinated and boosted with all that in mind.
Thank you. Yes, I share my experience so that people can make their own mind through the experiences of others. This is not something that you want to learn from self-experience.

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Covid is like the Mob. Tell ya what were gonna do. We either kill you, or you take da 3 shots and we beat you silly, Capiche?
This is the Prego variant right here
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CDC says Omicron variant now accounts for 95% of new Covid cases.
CDC: Omicron now 95 percent of new US COVID-19 cases | TheHill
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There could also have been a lot fewer, had there been competent leadership at the helm. Canada has had just over 30k deaths from covid, or about 1/3 the number of deaths in the USA when corrected for population.
Why? Mostly because we have had competent leadership throughout the pandemic who have been unified in their messaging.
You also need competent ‘followership’ - the willingness of people to select and follow competent leaders.
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You also need competent ‘followership’ - the willingness of people to select and follow competent leaders.
why does 2 + 2 = 4

because we agree it does

hard to find what else we agree about nowadays
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You also need competent ‘followership’ - the willingness of people to select and follow competent leaders.
In your country, it appeared that there was the leader of a cult of personality doing his level best to torpedo any efforts. He eschewed masks, he took credit for vaccines that he had nothing to do with creating and then questioned their safety in favor of drinking bleach (hyperbole, but not far from true).
Had #45 pushed masks and vaccines, his minions would have fallen in line like the toadies they are.
But he did exactly the opposite, and the results have been predictable and tragic.

A combination of an incompetent electorate voting in an even less competent leader turned out to be deadly.

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QuoteOriginally posted by aslyfox Quote
why does 2 + 2 = 4

because we agree it does

hard to find what else we agree about nowadays
One of the people I work with is a hard core conspiracy believer. Talk to him about covid vaccines and he will insist that 2+2=6.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wheatfield Quote
2+2=6.
QuoteOriginally posted by aslyfox Quote
why does 2 + 2 = 4

measurement scales = nominal, ordinal, interval, and ratio. Only in the last two categories does 2 + 2 = 4.

Source: David A. Gershaw, Ph.D.
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