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03-02-2021, 06:30 PM - 1 Like   #421
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That should speed things up in mass vaccinations. Not as good as the other vaccines, but not very bad either (66% Effective Overall at Preventing Moderate to Severe COVID-19, 28 Days after Vaccination).
Considering that no deaths or severe disease that require hospitalization I think itís very promising. My parents got the second dose last week. So relieved.

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Just ONE person in my family or extended family has been vaccinated so far, a 70+ person in the UK. Even a 75+ person with cancer in Finland is getting the first shot two weeks from now. What a mess it is over here.
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It's going really, really slowly in the whole of Europe I think. There are supply problems but I don't think that's the main reason, I think the big problem is bureaucracy.
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Wife and I got our first shots last week at Mercy on Ballas Rd. A group on FB called St. Louis and Eastern Missouri COVID-19 Vaccine Info, helped.
When I joined the group on Feb. 20 it had 5K members, after an article about it in the paper there's now 24K members.
Our area is supposed to get 50K doses of J&J this week,
St. Louis City and County combined receive 50% of the doses Missouri receives. Unfortunately the St. Louis area system isn’t doing a decent job communicating, so people are frustrated. I’d be content and more patient if I knew my place in line and approximate date - but it is a black hole. I don’t know whether they can’t tell us or won’t tell us. We’re not even getting notice of Mass Vaccination events, which are supposed to be broadly advertised.

Consequently people are forced to search for openings outside the area, form FB Groups, call friends, and pull personal connection strings to get appointments. I can’t knowingly fault anyone (certainly not the State) but at best the City/County Health Departments aren’t up to the task. BJC and Mercy are doing better, but that attracts “dose shoppers” which backs them up even more.

I do blame the media for over-hyping the whole thing. Next week is the one year anniversary of Two Weeks To Flatten The Curve.

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Iím glad you got an appointment!!
TY. Both Appointments are set.

QuoteOriginally posted by RobA_Oz Quote
Itís good that youíre in line for a vaccination, but itís terrible that people can push in like that. I know that this is the way the world works in some places, but we neither have to like nor accept it.

No news here on my vaccination time, and Iím in a similar category, but weíre thankfully not in anything like the same strife here in Oz.
At a point we just decided to take responsibility for ourselves. Small indicator of civil breakdown. IOW the populous canít trust the system to be fair and equitable, or at least efficient.

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Received my 2nd shot yesterday (Moderna). So far, and just like the first, a sore shoulder is my only side effect.
Good to hear.
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Consequently people are forced to search for openings outside the area, form FB Groups, call friends, and pull personal connection strings to get appointments. I canít knowingly fault anyone (certainly not the State) but at best the City/County Health Departments arenít up to the task. BJC and Mercy are doing better, but that attracts ďdose shoppersĒ which backs them up even more.

I do blame the media for over-hyping the whole thing. Next week is the one year anniversary of Two Weeks To Flatten The Curve.
Our government officials are doing a great job of communicating who can receive the shots, and where they are given, and our media are doing a good job of relaying the facts.
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It's going really, really slowly in the whole of Europe I think. There are supply problems but I don't think that's the main reason, I think the big problem is bureaucracy.
In some countries there may be too much red tape and in some people don't want to take the AstraZeneca due to the initial worse expected results, especially for people over 65-70. But in many EU countries almost every single dose received has been used. They just aren't available. EU has really dropped the ball in this game. The 450 Million people economy is waiting in line to see if we can get some vaccines after everybody in the US and UK have received theirs.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Raffwal Quote
In some countries there may be too much red tape and in some people don't want to take the AstraZeneca due to the initial worse expected results, especially for people over 65-70. But in many EU countries almost every single dose received has been used. They just aren't available. EU has really dropped the ball in this game. The 450 Million people economy is waiting in line to see if we can get some vaccines after everybody in the US and UK have received theirs.
The Pfizer production lines are still under construction AFAIK, should ramp up production this month by a lot... and AZ is serving the UK first. The EU should start tightening some screws... at this rate I'll get the vaccine in [checks calendar] 4 years. I'm not even joking - Germany has applied about 6 million doses, in two months, for a country that needs 170 million.

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The Pfizer production lines are still under construction AFAIK, should ramp up production this month by a lot... and AZ is serving the UK first. The EU should start tightening some screws... at this rate I'll get the vaccine in [checks calendar] 4 years. I'm not even joking - Germany has applied about 6 million doses, in two months, for a country that needs 170 million.
Canada has similar issues, a couple of previous conservative governments sold off domestic vaccine business and decimated the science sector for support, it is a mess then the current liberal government was slow to commit leaving us further down the line. add in short shipments and at 62 i figure i will get mine by Christmas
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I got on a wait list with my medical insurance company on 2/8. I didn't expect much because I was in Phase 3, the mob. Colorado just jumbled the rules for the fifth time, so I'm in Phase 1B4, over 50, tentative start date 3/21. I called to find out where that puts me on the wait list: number 37,000 something.

Now that I have an official Phase, I should be able to get on some more lists. My former colleagues in the mob aren't so lucky. The state expects to get 354,900 doses from 3/21-3/28, up about 100K from now.
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Canada has similar issues, a couple of previous conservative governments sold off domestic vaccine business and decimated the science sector for support, it is a mess then the current liberal government was slow to commit leaving us further down the line. add in short shipments and at 62 i figure i will get mine by Christmas
Our Feds made the mistake of teaming up with SinoPharm early on. Consequently, when the Chinese government decided to play politics with lives and abrogated the agreement between the Canadian government and SinoPharm, we got screwed.
Now we are at the back of the line, waiting for every other country that manufactures vaccines to finish their populations.
Apparently the American President threatened to invoke some sort of war measures act in the last couple of days that is forcing companies to ramp up production with the intent of having the entire population of the USA fully inoculated by the end if May.
If they are feeling generous, we might actually do fairly well. I expect their production could do all of Canada in a couple of weeks. With luck, we might get our population done by July.

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I don't know how much it will help, but Merck has said they are going to start manufacturing J and J's vaccine to help with production amounts. Certainly supply improvement, combined with the fact that it is a single dose series should speed the process at least a bit. Merck Will Help Manufacture Johnson & Johnson's COVID-19 Vaccine : Coronavirus Updates : NPR
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Our Feds made the mistake of teaming up with SinoPharm early on. Consequently, when the Chinese government decided to play politics with lives and abrogated the agreement between the Canadian government and SinoPharm, we got screwed.
Now we are at the back of the line, waiting for every other country that manufactures vaccines to finish their populations.
Apparently the American President threatened to invoke some sort of war measures act in the last couple of days that is forcing companies to ramp up production with the intent of having the entire population of the USA fully inoculated by the end if May.
Nothing mysterious here. Dating back to the 1940’s, the US President can order certain companies to produce certain things. The former President had GM and Ford producing ventilators in the past twelve months - for example - but, frankly, they would rather use persuasion and dollars to get what they want. The former President purchased 100 million doses of Pfizer’s vaccine - for example - he might have wanted more, but Pfizer said they had to devote some production to other countries. In Indiana, the Governor arranged for companies to produce PPE, then put the products on a web site for sale.
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I don't know how much it will help, but Merck has said they are going to start manufacturing J and J's vaccine to help with production amounts. Certainly supply improvement, combined with the fact that it is a single dose series should speed the process at least a bit. Merck Will Help Manufacture Johnson & Johnson's COVID-19 Vaccine : Coronavirus Updates : NPR
The Pfizer vaccine is ‘finished’ at a plant in Southern Michigan, within a school bus drive from here {yes, we - the Science Club - toured it when I was in high school}. The Moderna vaccine comes from a McKesson plant in Mississippi, and the original J&J production was at another McKesson plant in Kentucky. I don’t know what these plants normally produce, but the drug industry is known for making good profits, so I’m sure they produce something. By June, they will be producing vaccine adjusted for Covid ‘variants’ - some for export, and perhaps some for ‘booster shots’. There is more hope for J&J, since they have standard vaccine storage requirement.
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Just ONE person in my family or extended family has been vaccinated so far, a 70+ person in the UK. Even a 75+ person with cancer in Finland is getting the first shot two weeks from now. What a mess it is over here.
It really is an interesting phenomena in that as bad as this has been, you would think that everybody will be "all hands on deck" immunizing the crap out of people, even mobilizing military etc. If you consider the efficacy of influenza vaccine in certain years hat hovers in teens in terms of percentage, having 95% efficacy for mRNA vaccine is really out of this world. Having seen the apocalypse unclose - I just don't get this complacency. So weird.
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