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Just you.





I get the urge to punch Zuckerberg directly; the poor TV did nuthing and I paid for it.

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I am not entirely sure about the health implications of emitting UV-C radiation towards other nearby people.


Also, can it make you shoot lasers out of your mouth? I want to shoot lasers out of my mouth.

Sure why not NM land off UFO
Plus for my work in dark environment mask
Has combination UV and Blue light
Look very cool
It’s help better as alternative

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but studies have concluded vaccine provides more protection than infection does

That is too simple.

Infection with strong reactions produce a similar immunity as good vaccination

but

good vaccination has far less side-effects

And yet:

Infection with little reaction + vaccination does give at least the same immunity as 2 mRNA vaccinations
Infection with little reaction + 2 mRNA shots give the very best immunity. Bau/ml-values have been measured very high, much higher than just 3 mRNA vaccinations.

I myself chose not to take on the risk of even one infection.

I also see it on the basis of "one for all, all for one"

But we don't know, it is all very new and often paradox.

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If natural immunity is so wonderful, and better than vaccines why do we need any vaccines at all? Measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, smallpox, polio, influenza, etc., etc., etc. If natural immunity is better wouldn't it be better to go catch all of those than to try to prevent them with vaccines?

One shouldn't mix up Covid with measles, mumps and all the others you named. Those are not pandemic and the percentage of life-threatening dangers is much lower, yet, if it hit, if hit strong. I remember when I was young boy, a friend caught polio, it wasn't fun. But I also have seen terrible reactions after a polio-vaccination.
So it isn't just black and white. It never is and never can be. A stick has always two ends and people tend to cling to one end and believe the other doesn't exist.
That's what is called evasion or ... sheer ignorance.


The price for natural immunity with covid can be very high, many pay with their lives, so their natural immunity then is worth zero.
With a pandemic such as this one we need to understand "one for all, all for one".

With tetanus for example you can't harm anybody else but just yourself. That simple it is.

O.K you might produce suffering for your close ones if it hits and you die.

[Wheatfield]

Is it just me or does anyone else get the urge to punch the TV when you see a picture of Mark Zuckerberg?

I refuse to give him rent free space in my head. I also refuse to subscribe my life to his products.

[ChrisPlatt]

Numerous employees at my workplace have tested positive for COVID recently,
including two coworkers in my department on my tour this week.
There seems to be some sort of flu/upper respiratory illness going around as well.

I hope the lines at the testing places start to thin out after the holidays, in case I need to get tested.
Lines there are still around the block as they have been since before Christmas.

Chris

[bertwert]

I saw this study that indicated that more than 25 percent of men who have had COVID have reduced sperm motility for over two months after COVID infection. Sperm quality and absence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in semen after COVID-19 infection: a prospective, observational study and validation of the SpermCOVID test - ScienceDirect Some seem to have developed anti-sperm antibodies as well.

I just found this interesting because one of the antivaccine points I've heard mentioned is that the vaccine reduces fertility. This isn't true, but it does seem like COVID does, at least in some men.

Sounds like a win, chances are those are folks we would rather not continue their genetic lines, and besides there's already getting to be too many people in this world.

^^^ narrow minded opinion ignoring the fact that those vaccinated are still catching covid and could be affected as well, and I haven't bothered to read the study, but fed up with everything so just needed to make a grumpy comment

My point of unsustainable population growth still stands however...

[slartibartfast01]

Covid-19: EFL removes matchday testing for players as eight new year games are postponed - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59830127
So now they risk having more games postponed when Covid positive players are allowed to play and spread it.

[Rondec]

One shouldn't mix up Covid with measles, mumps and all the others you named. Those are not pandemic and the percentage of life-threatening dangers is much lower, yet, if it hit, if hit strong. I remember when I was young boy, a friend caught polio, it wasn't fun. But I also have seen terrible reactions after a polio-vaccination.
So it isn't just black and white. It never is and never can be. A stick has always two ends and people tend to cling to one end and believe the other doesn't exist.
That's what is called evasion or ... sheer ignorance.


The price for natural immunity with covid can be very high, many pay with their lives, so their natural immunity then is worth zero.
With a pandemic such as this one we need to understand "one for all, all for one".

With tetanus for example you can't harm anybody else but just yourself. That simple it is.

O.K you might produce suffering for your close ones if it hits and you die.

There is a financial cost for caring for unvaccinated people that is much higher than for vaccinated people.

In the case of a six year old unvaccinated child who got tetanus, the cost was around a million dollars. An unvaccinated Oregon boy almost died of tetanus, CDC says | PBS NewsHour I'm guessing his parents didn't pay for his care.

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There is a financial cost for caring for unvaccinated people that is much higher than for vaccinated people.

That is for sure true for Covid and good that you brought it up.
Also those infected but non-vaccinated block hospitals, bring those in danger who need treatment, bring those in danger working there.

But strangly at least in Europe many who work for healthcare and particular in old-people-homes belong to the anti vaxxers.
That is why in some countries it is now by law that they have to be vaccinated.

In the case of a six year old unvaccinated child who got tetanus, the cost was around a million dollars. An unvaccinated Oregon boy almost died of tetanus, CDC says | PBS NewsHour I'm guessing his parents didn't pay for his care.

First of all that is atypical, almost an anectodal evidence and the press will jump on such cases and make millions. Shame on them! That was the only argument of Trump I partly kind of could agree with, journalists often became like hyenas (again, a stick has two ends, there are amazing journalists as well) and often manipulate (and are manipulated themselves).
The costs if a child catches a serious long-term reaction from a vaccination can be as serious but will not show up in the press. And it would be as much
atypical/anecdotal evidence.

Some vaccinations are intelligent, some aren't but had been pushed by the pharma-industry just for making money.

But the most stupid thing for children are some combination vaccines (quite common are 5 or 6 for different diseases in one go, but some doctors do a 10er). That is a too much for the immunesystem and can overload it, can lead to (proven!) complications such as auto-immune diseases.


Again, a stick has two ends.

[Rondec]

That is for sure true for Covid and good that you brought it up.
Also those infected but non-vaccinated block hospitals, bring those in danger who need treatment, bring those in danger working there.

But strangly at least in Europe many who work for healthcare and particular in old-people-homes belong to the anti vaxxers.
That is why in some countries it is now by law that they have to be vaccinated.


First of all that is atypical and the press will jump on such cases and make millions. Shame on them! That was the only argument of Trump I partly kind of could agree with, journalists often became like hyenas (again, a stick has two ends, there are amazing journalists as well) and often manipulate (and are manipulated themselves).
The costs if a child catches a serious long-term reaction from a vaccination can be as serious but will not show up in the press.
Some vaccinations are intelligent, some aren't but had been pushed by the pharma-industry just for making money.

Again, a stick has two ends.

I think the reasoning behind societies pushing for vaccines has to do with a number of things.

(1) Vaccines are safer than the diseases they prevent. This doesn't say that there are no vaccine reactions. Clearly there are reactions to vaccines, but diseases like tetanus, measles, and mumps had serious morbidities associated with them.

(2) The reason an incident like this child getting tetanus is unusual is because of vaccine programs. In the United States the rate of completion of childhood vaccinations by 24 months of age was around 91 percent.

(3) Many of childhood vaccines are very old vaccines and do not have a lot of money being made from them. A tetanus shot be gotten for free at the health department, but if you pay cash at a pharmacy, it would cost you 25 or 30 dollars. Newer vaccines like meningococcal and HPV vaccines are quite a bit more expensive. There is a lot of data on all of these that shows significant benefit to them.

There aren't any of the diseases my children have been vaccinated against that I would want them to actually experience.

Nietzsche said "What does not kill me makes me stronger," but that simply isn't the case. What does not kill me may make me significantly weaker, less available to function, and more prone to future infections. There is no one whose immune system is stronger because they are sick all of the time.

[reh321]

At least some health care professionals must believe that a mask protects the wearer as well as others.

Shortly before she retired - so we must be talking around 2018 - my wife was found to have an auto-immune reaction that was destroying her bone marrow. While they were figuring it out, she was in a hospital room where a sign required all who entered the room to mask up for her protection. She had already scheduled a flight to Florida to see her Mother. The specialist allowed her to go if she masked up for her protection. So, masking up was seen as both protecting the one not wearing the mask and the very one wearing the mask.

Later, she was given treatment to restore her bone marrow, and she was in the middle of repeating vaccinations when Covid hit, and the new vaccine had to be fit into that schedule.

[lesmore49]

I've had my two covid vaccinations and my # 3, the booster. I wear a mask , I have cut down considerably my visits to indoor places with people. Etc.

I wonder when all this is going to end ? I know no one, no organization, really has any idea...about what or world will be like in 1 year, 2 years, 5 years and beyond.

Any predictions .

[reh321]

I've had my two covid vaccinations and my # 3, the booster. I wear a mask , I have cut down considerably my visits to indoor places with people. Etc.

I wonder when all this is going to end ? I know no one, no organization, really has any idea...about what or world will be like in 1 year, 2 years, 5 years and beyond.

Any predictions .

Last May, when our county was down to 10 cases per 100 thousand residents, everyone seemed to relax, and recently we were up to 512 cases per 100 thousand residents. I don’t have any idea when it will end - I will just be vigilant until experts agree that I don’t need to be anymore.

[StiffLegged]

I've had my two covid vaccinations and my # 3, the booster. I wear a mask , I have cut down considerably my visits to indoor places with people. Etc.

I wonder when all this is going to end ? I know no one, no organization, really has any idea...about what or world will be like in 1 year, 2 years, 5 years and beyond.

Any predictions .

We’ll be living with it and learning to cope with it, for years. Our ancestors learned the hard way how to cope with plague, smallpox, cholera and we’ll probably have to do the same. It’s not as if covid is unique.

[aslyfox]

I've had my two covid vaccinations and my # 3, the booster. I wear a mask , I have cut down considerably my visits to indoor places with people. Etc.

I wonder when all this is going to end ? I know no one, no organization, really has any idea...about what or world will be like in 1 year, 2 years, 5 years and beyond.

Any predictions .

I am retired and I, too, have been isolating since March of 2020 even after vaccinations.
[ 3 Pfizer shots ]

I always wear a KN 95 mask, unless I am eating, when I am outside my house

this is due to the fact that I suffer from multiple " comorbidities " and although the actual risk may be low, why risk it

although the isolation itself is not good for me

as mentioned by @StiffLegged, Covid 19 is here to stay

I predict that in the future, we will be offered an annual booster similar to the influenza shot to help deal with it but like the influenza shot, it will be a compromis based on predicted status of the covid 19 mutation and may not be successful

as mentioned by @reh321, we are on the rollercoaster and will not learn how to properly handle the virus

not to mention those who could medically take the vaccines but choose not to do so