Before I begin a giant rant, let me explain that while I'm not a sys admin, I have worked IT support before (I'm a software developer now).
For what it's worth, I also use Opera, except for specific job related things.
Originally posted by séamuis Firefox. seriously, just use Firefox and not worry about it. why doesn't everyone use Firefox anyway?
I don't really want to get into a giant debate about it, but Firefox isn't perfect on the security front, either. All software has security issues, unfortunately.
Originally posted by J.Scott I use Mozilla Firefox on my personal computers. I was using it at work until I got a nasty email telling me to delete it from my laptop immediately as it was a security risk to the Company's assets! Oh well, it's their machine and their system and they will be the losers. Most of our work is done through a VPN so maybe they will be alright - I'm not sure.
I don't understand why people have this strange idea that the computer their employer provides for them is their personal playground. Your employer pays for it, your work pays for the costs of its upkeep, and if your employer decides to restrict you from doing doing something, I don't understand why people take such umbrage to it.
The fact of the matter is that unauthorised, software IS a risk to the company one way, or another. For one, there is the licensing concern - if you pirate software onto a company machine, your company is typically legally liable for this. For another, consider this not entirely unrealistic scenario:
Say that your employer has a web based system in which employees can look up and change their HR records (e.g. bank account numbers for pay, etc). Suppose due to a screwup by the developers of the system, something doesn't work right in Firefox, and as a result, your bank account number gets garbled, and the company pays someone else instead of you. You're not going to be happy, and neither are they.
Now, you might say, "but it's the fault of the developers of the HR system", and you're sort of right, BUT cross browser compatible web applications cost more money than IE only ones, simple as that. They cost more to develop, and they cost more to test. Would you be happy for the extra costs to come off your paycheque?
Originally posted by MoiVous I had this discussion with the IT people at my work, and the only real reason they wouldn't use FF was because the
wet behind the ears IT people at head office didn't know about the deployment features of FF to secure the browser for corporat policy (ie content filters, bypassing proxies etc). I pointed it out to them (with URLs etc), but they ignored me.
It was too hard for their tiny little corporate minds.
Which is great, except that last time I looked, the Group Policy features of Firefox STILL DIDN'T ACTUALLY WORK PROPERLY, and the user was still capable of overriding them. It's not a case of their tiny corporate minds anything... IT JUST PLAIN DOESN'T WORK.
Originally posted by MoiVous On the other hand, if you read the SysAdmin SMS forums - we are the bad guys. Reminds me of the days of white coated acolytes in air conditioned computer rooms with 20 pens in their pockets who treated system users with contempt....
That's because you ARE the bad guys. For whatever reason, someone has set a corporate policy, and IT is instructed to enforce it. When you try to go around the policy, you waste everyone's time, and you waste company money. If the IT staff don't enforce the policy as they are required to do, then they put their jobs at risk. When they have to spend time trying to catch you, it's wasting time they could be spending actually validating third party software. This in turn is wasting company money. In fact, you're wasting even more company money with the time you spend trying to get around the policy...
I see that you do, in fact have a good reason to have these programs... So why aren't you following proper channels to get them approved so you can do your job? All you're really doing right now is generating a possible case for dismissal based on misconduct should some senior manager ever get upset about you violating the policy.
Having been on both sides of the IT / Users fence, I understand a lot of the frustrations of both sides. It helps if you accept that they have a job to do, and work with them to get what you want.
Oh, and for what it's worth, I have every browser you just named, and more on my work pc (for the same reason you do) WITH APPROVAL - I sought permission through the proper channels before installing them.