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ftpaddict · 03-19-2009, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by Alfisti

...though WRC has gone to hell...

Care to elaborate?

deadwolfbones · 03-19-2009, 12:25 PM

A lot of the major manufacturers are pulling the factory teams, and they're going to a series spec that many fans and most teams aren't too pleased with.

Similar situation to F1, actually, except that the F1 changes actually have a slim chance of helping.

maxwell1295 · 03-19-2009, 12:32 PM

The only time I watch non-sports TV is weekday nights. It's our 'family time' and anything that gets us all together in this day and age is a good thing. I like Jeopardy, Seinfeld reruns, and Fox seems to be our network of choice (House, Fringe, Lie To Me, and American Idol).

Other than that, it's HGTV or ESPN for me...

Alfisti · 03-19-2009, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by ftpaddict

Care to elaborate?

It's all but dead and needs a revival. There are not enough factory teams so you have the best driver in the sole factory team andhe just keeps winning.

Motorsport struggles when there is not enough factory teams, it works best as either factory dominant or none at all. It's like thos eHonda engines in the 80's, everyone thought they were just awesome nut they were battling who exactly? Some poor bastard at Judd trying to make 1200HP from 3.5 litres?

ftpaddict · 03-19-2009, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Alfisti

It's all but dead and needs a revival. There are not enough factory teams so you have the best driver in the sole factory team andhe just keeps winning.

Motorsport struggles when there is not enough factory teams, it works best as either factory dominant or none at all. It's like thos eHonda engines in the 80's, everyone thought they were just awesome nut they were battling who exactly? Some poor bastard at Judd trying to make 1200HP from 3.5 litres?

I loved watching 80s F1 racing, where there weren't any factory teams. Lotus was in there, but you can hardly call three blokes in a shed in Norfolk a factory team.

Gooshin · 03-19-2009, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by ftpaddict

but you can hardly call three blokes in a shed in Norfolk a factory team.

it was the 80's

ftpaddict · 03-19-2009, 01:07 PM

Right you are, and those times should be back. Racing was done on a shoestring budget (compared to today's multi-million euro funfair), and it encouraged innovation. The outcome of the race rested on the driver's shoulders, as the cars were more or less equally matched.

Nowadays it's all about Ferrari (to be fair, they've never missed a season), McLaren, Renault and BMW Sauber. How about the others?

deadwolfbones · 03-19-2009, 03:26 PM

Keep an eye on this season. Things could really get shaken up. Honda/Brawn of all teams have been topping practices left and right, and McLaren appear to be really struggling.

Renault will be using KERS, and are thusfar the only team to confirm its use for Melbourne. Iiinteresting.

ftpaddict · 03-19-2009, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

Renault will be using KERS, and are thusfar the only team to confirm its use for Melbourne. Iiinteresting.

Still rooting for Renault (ex. Benetton). Hope they come back in force this year.

Wildnsyko · 03-19-2009, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by lithos

Man, PC gaming is dead. Microsoft killed it.

Actually there are quite a few people that still play PC games. Though most of the people we play with on the internet are all in their 40's with a few kids that usually hack and take the fun out of it.

Wildnsyko · 03-19-2009, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Damn Brit

Funny how the fasted internet possible in the U.S. is still a fraction of the speed for internet in most of Europe.
Cable High Speed over here is relatively fast but the downside is that you can only send and receive small picture files.

Well, for certain areas, cable is the fastest we have. And in this very behind the times area, I pay for the 10mb cable for about $70 a month. If we lived about 5 miles west, we'd have only dialup because we'd be too far away from the main interstate that the cable line follows. Which is the reason why we can never move out to the country, lol.

lithos · 03-19-2009, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Wildnsyko

Actually there are quite a few people that still play PC games. Though most of the people we play with on the internet are all in their 40's with a few kids that usually hack and take the fun out of it.

I still play PC, which is why I'm so cynical (five hundred dollars for a console is a bit of joke, really.)

It's just that Microsoft really, really, really, really, really would like all PC gamers to buy an Xbox, as they're progressively crippling the games that are eventually released on it. After all, Microsoft got nary a cent from my PC hardware purchases.

Games For Windows Live, what I'm talking about...an attempt to fix something that wasn't broken.

ve2vfd · 03-19-2009, 07:21 PM

I don't watch any of the big networks nor do I watch the propaganda "news" channels.

Most of my TV watching involves PBS, the History Channel, Science Channel, Discovery Channel, National Geographic, Current TV, Link TV, Documentary Channel, Independant Film Channel.

For level headed international news I'll sometimes watch the BBC world news, le Journal Suisse.

Pat

sharko · 03-19-2009, 10:21 PM

Yes I still watch a lot of TV...not a chance I'm missing a Laker game.

ftpaddict · 03-20-2009, 02:30 AM

Originally posted by lithos

I still play PC, which is why I'm so cynical (five hundred dollars for a console is a bit of joke, really.)

Big ditto on that.
PC gaming will never be dead as long as there are those people willing to shell out big bucks for the latest hardware that can run Crysis at 2560 x 2048 with Ultra High details on.

FWIW, professional gaming is still the realm of the PC.

03-19-2009, 12:58 PM	#35
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Originally posted by Alfisti It's all but dead and needs a revival. There are not enough factory teams so you have the best driver in the sole factory team andhe just keeps winning. Motorsport struggles when there is not enough factory teams, it works best as either factory dominant or none at all. It's like thos eHonda engines in the 80's, everyone thought they were just awesome nut they were battling who exactly? Some poor bastard at Judd trying to make 1200HP from 3.5 litres? I loved watching 80s F1 racing, where there weren't any factory teams. Lotus was in there, but you can hardly call three blokes in a shed in Norfolk a factory team. Last edited by ftpaddict; 03-19-2009 at 12:59 PM. Reason: english not my first language.

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03-19-2009, 12:10 PM	#31
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Originally posted by Alfisti ...though WRC has gone to hell... Care to elaborate?

03-19-2009, 12:25 PM	#32
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 7,451	A lot of the major manufacturers are pulling the factory teams, and they're going to a series spec that many fans and most teams aren't too pleased with. Similar situation to F1, actually, except that the F1 changes actually have a slim chance of helping.

03-19-2009, 12:32 PM	#33
maxwell1295 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Long Island, New York Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,703	The only time I watch non-sports TV is weekday nights. It's our 'family time' and anything that gets us all together in this day and age is a good thing. I like Jeopardy, Seinfeld reruns, and Fox seems to be our network of choice (House, Fringe, Lie To Me, and American Idol). Other than that, it's HGTV or ESPN for me...

03-19-2009, 12:53 PM	#34
Alfisti Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto (for now) Posts: 1,748	Originally posted by ftpaddict Care to elaborate? It's all but dead and needs a revival. There are not enough factory teams so you have the best driver in the sole factory team andhe just keeps winning. Motorsport struggles when there is not enough factory teams, it works best as either factory dominant or none at all. It's like thos eHonda engines in the 80's, everyone thought they were just awesome nut they were battling who exactly? Some poor bastard at Judd trying to make 1200HP from 3.5 litres?

03-19-2009, 12:59 PM	#36
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	Originally posted by ftpaddict but you can hardly call three blokes in a shed in Norfolk a factory team. it was the 80's

03-19-2009, 01:07 PM	#37
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Right you are, and those times should be back. Racing was done on a shoestring budget (compared to today's multi-million euro funfair), and it encouraged innovation. The outcome of the race rested on the driver's shoulders, as the cars were more or less equally matched. Nowadays it's all about Ferrari (to be fair, they've never missed a season), McLaren, Renault and BMW Sauber. How about the others?

03-19-2009, 03:26 PM	#38
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 7,451	Keep an eye on this season. Things could really get shaken up. Honda/Brawn of all teams have been topping practices left and right, and McLaren appear to be really struggling. Renault will be using KERS, and are thusfar the only team to confirm its use for Melbourne. Iiinteresting.

03-19-2009, 04:33 PM	#39
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Originally posted by deadwolfbones Renault will be using KERS, and are thusfar the only team to confirm its use for Melbourne. Iiinteresting. Still rooting for Renault (ex. Benetton). Hope they come back in force this year.

03-19-2009, 06:41 PM	#40
Wildnsyko Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southeast MO Photos: Gallery Posts: 366	Originally posted by lithos Man, PC gaming is dead. Microsoft killed it. Actually there are quite a few people that still play PC games. Though most of the people we play with on the internet are all in their 40's with a few kids that usually hack and take the fun out of it.

03-19-2009, 06:48 PM	#41
Wildnsyko Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southeast MO Photos: Gallery Posts: 366	Originally posted by Damn Brit Funny how the fasted internet possible in the U.S. is still a fraction of the speed for internet in most of Europe. Cable High Speed over here is relatively fast but the downside is that you can only send and receive small picture files. Well, for certain areas, cable is the fastest we have. And in this very behind the times area, I pay for the 10mb cable for about $70 a month. If we lived about 5 miles west, we'd have only dialup because we'd be too far away from the main interstate that the cable line follows. Which is the reason why we can never move out to the country, lol.

03-19-2009, 06:58 PM	#42
lithos Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brisbane, QLD, AUS Posts: 3,261	Originally posted by Wildnsyko Actually there are quite a few people that still play PC games. Though most of the people we play with on the internet are all in their 40's with a few kids that usually hack and take the fun out of it. I still play PC, which is why I'm so cynical (five hundred dollars for a console is a bit of joke, really.) It's just that Microsoft really, really, really, really, really would like all PC gamers to buy an Xbox, as they're progressively crippling the games that are eventually released on it. After all, Microsoft got nary a cent from my PC hardware purchases. Games For Windows Live, what I'm talking about...an attempt to fix something that wasn't broken.

03-19-2009, 07:21 PM	#43
ve2vfd Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,433	I don't watch any of the big networks nor do I watch the propaganda "news" channels. Most of my TV watching involves PBS, the History Channel, Science Channel, Discovery Channel, National Geographic, Current TV, Link TV, Documentary Channel, Independant Film Channel. For level headed international news I'll sometimes watch the BBC world news, le Journal Suisse. Pat

03-19-2009, 10:21 PM	#44
sharko Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: City of Angels Photos: Gallery Posts: 278	Yes I still watch a lot of TV...not a chance I'm missing a Laker game.

03-20-2009, 02:30 AM	#45
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Originally posted by lithos I still play PC, which is why I'm so cynical (five hundred dollars for a console is a bit of joke, really.) Big ditto on that. PC gaming will never be dead as long as there are those people willing to shell out big bucks for the latest hardware that can run Crysis at 2560 x 2048 with Ultra High details on. FWIW, professional gaming is still the realm of the PC.

Do you watch regular TV still?

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