Originally posted by Blue
Organic in and of itself is not necessarily equivalent to sustainable nor is it automatically safer. There are materials used in organic apple production for example that worry me as much as some of the old o.p. materials as far as chronic exposure goes (Parkinsons for example) and potential for fish kills.
There's a lot of chicken, pork and other livestock being eaten as well. In fact chicken is huge. Georgia, Arkansas, and California are among the poultry leaders.
Yes, wherever you get agricultural runoff *from,* putting too much out there means too much ends somewhere. Modern fertilizers that enable us to put all this *feed grain* into any animal (or plant) we eat too much of also take a lot of energy to get that kind of chemical density into one place.
Some try to say that we should stop eating meat, I say we should... stop eating so *much.* Before blaming some environmentalist for things not working out, anyway. What goes into fertilizing 'biofuels' that agribusiness *likes* is no bargain. Especially when we could be getting biofuels out of mixed prairie grasses instead of massive cultivation and petroleum-based fertilizer inputs.
This is where things like ethanol really screw the proverbial: setting up a sustainable infrastructure is one thing, but straining the food supply while resisting any other sources for that ethanol: ones which aren't exacerbating other problems profitably.... That's the problem.
One thing's for sure, if someone says we can keep expanding our population indefinitely while using more energy that comes out of the ground, while screwing up what keeps us alive, as if none of these things connect to each other beyond the next fiscal quarter..
Well, maybe some people don't expect to live to see the consequences, but that can't work.
We should have been on this thirty years ago. So that by the time the rest of the world really wanted to live like us, we wouldn't have been exporting stuff that's gonna bite us all in the kiester.
Gotta do something. Gotta do a lot of things. Cause making fun of the fact there's a lot of methane in farts ..won't help.
To be quite honest, it was about 2003 when it really hit me that "We broke something. We can't accept it. We're going to do this the hard way and it's just a question of how hard we screw ourselves till we halfway wise up." Now, I'm never one to count Mammagaia out, but. We already lost at 'truth or consequences.' It's just a matter of what adapts and when. Cause there's already consequences in the pipeline: what we've been experiencing lately ...probably just the appetizers. Some people think that if they can go to their graves and feel it's 'not their fault' that all will be right with the world, but I disagree.
I believe that too much is at stake for denial to be the default.
What's the worst that can happen if we learn a little restraint? We got thinner and better exercised, waste less, pollute less, worry less about what a company decides a price is.... for no apparent reason? I could live with that.
And, no, I'm not talking about 'the end of the world.' I'm talking about the end of something less abstract. The end of things we take for granted.