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06-13-2009, 03:17 AM   #1
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I am Leaving the PentaxForums! Goodbye, Folks!!

I will not post anymore here, I have decided!

As per Adam's guys requested and I follow their views, I copy and paste my blog post here FOR THE LAST TIME for WHY!:-

As you can see, last night I discovered an unboxing post of the K-7 on the internet at a Chinese forum and was really excited. I quickly wrote a short blog article with the unboxing photos linked and left some quick remarks.

Actually, I was rather busy yesterday with all kinds of my work engagements, meetings and some personal matters that needed to be completed after work. I was only be able to get back home and access the Internet rather late at late evening. After I had published my blog post, I once just wanted to go to take a bath and then go to bed for sleep as I was really tired. But when I just thought of, for instance, I could also let the folks and readers at the PentaxForums knew about that breaking news (which I thought was an excitement it was really true). I made a simple post there in a hurry, with a sole intention to let the guys over there knew also with all good wills.

But then some particular Pentax blind brand radicalists and fanboys jumped on me very quickly (although there are also some other sensible persons got annoyed for what their behavour - for being went off-topic and trying to hi-jack the thread by starting arguments and creating personal flame war).

Shortly, two "site supporters" who are also the "moderators" appeared and then my thread were even locked afterwards and I received a "warning" from that Peter Zack, who is well known to be a stupid fanboy but nothing else. So, why need to lock my thread, what's wrong with that? I posted about the K-7 and news and discuss solely and 100% about the camera and delivery of the camera (read back the whole thread if you want to verify), I just paste the "warning" here for all of you to take a reference:-

You have received a warning at
Dear RiceHigh,

You have received a warning at

Blog posting warning only this time

As per Rule II. Posting
There is no limit on the number of posts made by each user, but topics must always be created in the correct corresponding forum category. Flooding, spamming, and advertising are not tolerated. Although users may occasionally post links to useful resources and personal galleries, any other sites may not be promoted. All posts are also to be written in a mature fashion with correct spelling and grammar.

Member is warned that Blog post promotions will not be tolerated any longer. Warning only. Points issued next time.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by ogl View Post

You should get your K-7 on Saturday...

Hopefully, provided that my dealer has the goods and I'm first enough in the queue!

Btw, I shall ask my dealer to confirm CDAF is available under the video mode before I act! The K-7 shouldn't lack this basic feature and be worse than the 500D, should it? :-)

Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

All the best,

What's the ground and rationale to "warn" me for my that post made???? You read the post content and click on the link to verify yourself! People do (evils), God seen and other People knows! (An modern Chinese idiom!)

I KNOW well ITS THEIR SITE, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY LIKE! But this is of no justice but just evils!!

Do you think that I need to be afraid of such a silly and stupid threatening "warning"? There is no big deal to me at all for me not posting at the PentaxForums nor I care much. They can simply ban me altogether and I really don't care! That's just their own loss for not having me there to *contribute*, although I have never given any money (which is beautifully wrapped by the word "donation" or "support"). But I do believe my contributions and time spent did worth even more than money for their success on the Internet. Yes, they are really success now, but I do help them much really and I am the one (of many) that contributes to their success in another way (but now Adam has forgotten!). Btw, as of the time I write this blog article, here is the Alexa internet popularity traffic rankings of the various Pentax related sites including the PentaxForums and My Blog:-

PentaxForums: 51,894
My Blog: 285,113

And other Pentax related sites for your quick reference (links are to the Alexa ranking pages for respective sites):-

Dpreview: 1,516 (Whole site counted, not only Pentax stuff) 78,274 (Not soley for Pentax stuff - but you can get almost all, though)
Pentax 116,576
PentaxDSLRs Blog: 783,474
Ned Bunnell's Blog: 932, 757
OK1000 Pentax Blog: 1,138,224

Actually, the PentaxForums is a large and successful site. But as a forum, the nature is different from a blog or a review site. A forum is supposed to have more posts and traffic volume should be higher just because discussions are frequent by its basic nature.

Back to the topic, what I need to promote my site? Which I am being accused of. My site is also promoting much the PentaxForum because I have linked too often to their site! So? So, what is their ground actually? Is it substantiatable?? What's the benefit for me if my site is promoted? What is the loss to me if I do not make post at the PentaxForums??

Previously, they accused me of being "negative all the times". So, they simply judged and JUGDE BY OPINIONS! NOW, I indeed promote the K-7 *hard*. What's wrong for promoting the K-7 and K-7 news, then???

As for the accuse of direct linkings to my blog posts, I just wish to let those narrow-minded persons as well as those persons who want to protect their money and relevant revenue interests of running an internet site and doing it just like a *business*, I have just checked that all people around the world ALSO have ALL made posts linked directly to my that "unboxing post", 100%, solely - that's how the internet works! Here is the captured summary from my statcounter:-


7 No referring link











You can click and check them all if there is any one of the posts "copied and pasted" my post's contents without "promoting" my site?? How about if my blog post is updated? Do I need to update also my post made a forum and not even to mention to edit the post for *another* time. Utter silly afterall!

Well, also there is actually no traffic from the PentaxForums, so this is not an excuse for me of being guilty - they just want to do me an unfavour! Period.

In fact, Ned Bunnell do the same, mostly at the DPR forums, i.e., made posts contained links to his blog, but then no one ever accuse him of anything "violation of forum rules". Never. Just because he's a Pentax company CEO and President? Then, our faith on the Internet should be different?? And we should then be treated totally opposite for my freedom of speech??

Besides, do you know how to become a moderator at the PentaxForums, my observation is simply that on and off some keen site supporters will become "moderators" in turns, no matter how radical they are and how many times they could attack people before!? Well, those behaviours are allowed, often? ONLY that their practical "support" to the site are "adequate"? I wanted to air this out for long, but I do have been tolerating!

I promote PentaxForums from time to time, very frequently, since they started their site and since I started my this blog - I always linked to the PentaxForums directly - that's what the internet works! To check, you can just do a search at my blog for the keyword "PentaxForums", then you will see how many results are returned!

In addition, does PentaxForums really a non-profit site? Nope, I am afraid NOT! "Donations" and "Site Suppport" are common there. The hard fact is many of those site supporters are becoming "moderators" from time to time, on and off.

In early 2007, I was told by the site owner that the low traffic still made them self-substantiated financially. Now, with the highly increased traffic and large member base, I believe they now *earn* much and that would be just a lot than what that can do for a living for running their site and forums and doing this very profitable business!

Me, in contrast, maintain and write on the Net just for insisting my belief and faithful to my hobby and myself, solely and only. Nothing more, nothing less. Non, there is anything money related for my part, of any kind, in any mean for what I do. So that I can dare to say loudly to the world and in front of all people. And is there any dirtly money and business related for my blog writing? NO, No and No!!! In contrast, I only always contribute my valuable time and spent my efforts, for free - just contribute and NEVER ask for any reward and return! I am just ASKING FOR A BETTER PENTAX CAMERA!! And of course no beg for "donations". Have you ever seen that at my blog and sites? If you can find it, I give you the "donation"! ;-D

I am really annoyed, upset and felt rather unhappy or even depressed for the poor and evil side of the human nature I can see this time (and once again!), particularly the way they need to persecute and pre-empt "different" (opined) people and especially more on the hypocrite(s) who always pretend to be good and opened from time to time. But in fact, they are just so being afraid of their own money interests are affected.

They just use some of the seemed to be fair and open "rules" to execute different people whom they don't like them and whenever they think that their benefits are possibly hurt (or it would be better that just opinions are different) so that they need to suppress those different voices.

I am leaving the PentaxForum myself from now on. Actually, I can loudly tell to the world that I have contributed much to their current success. I spent too many times to post news and share my knowledge as well as to help many others over there unconditionally but just only naively hoped that they could treat me fairly without personal biases. Indeed, I have been treating Adam, the founder and site owner of the PentaxForums as a good internet friend of mine but he let me down too much and disappointed for times already and have been silently permitting/agreeing or maybe even instructing his guys (or could be "customers" anyway) to do the dirty "holy" jobs for him and he has even not dared to drop me a message! He seems to be invisible and well hidden in recent times than before! I really feel hurt to be betrayed by a person who I once treated him as a *friend* of mine!

To Adam (and others with the same thinking - true in heart or not, i.e., just a beautiful excuse): You have no more chance to put a bad name on me in accusing me that I am promoting my blog at the PentaxForums! I SHALL NOT and WILL NOT post over there anymore! (EXCEPT for MY LAST POST to say goodbye to some of those kind forum pals over these, which are all my true friends - Well, this time I shall follow your views of "copy and paste and/or re-type/re-edit - You Adam gang can delete it afterwards and I guess they WILL!) I believe all those particular fanboys will ever be happy - the *only* problem solved! So, what's the "only" problem? That is ME, RiceHigh, some fanboys have hated me to death particularly, no matter what I post and say! This hatred is the only source of all "problems" - BUT then actually there would have been not a problem if they really do their moderation job fairly with open speeches without inhuman and uncivilised things allowed to be happened in mind (but they have failed, very and rather unfortunately).

But I am sure that without my contributions, the PentaxForums will be somehow less informative, although might be neglectible for just one person, but with many cases repeatedly happened, it would be different - the same as for what happened at the DPR Forums when many of the knowledgeables have gone themselves or simply got banned.

Nonetheless, if there is something really good or useful posted at the PentaxForums, I shall still "promote" their site by including links in my blog articles. I don't mind I do the thing that you don't allow me to do at your site, Adam and you guys!

Afterall, everything sounds rather silly, but the reality and the World is just like this. Only one thing explains all these: The Evil(s) of Human and Human Nature does have its very Dark Side(s)! But the evils are always there!

Finally, if you want to read what I write and post, just come to my Blog from now on. There is simply no good place for a Pentax forum for me to participate on the Internet. It is indeed quite beneficial to me as I can just save some more of my valuable time, honestly! In fact, I have posted not so frequently as before at the PentaxForums already for quite a while as I have already found the place is really too pleasant occasionally as well as I am just too busy in my life.

And, if you have some technical questions to ask or just want my comments or advice, simply dropped me an email and I shall try to answer back as soon as possible, when I have the time. In fact, I think I have never missed a reply for those who truly asked me something, shared something with me, or needed my help, although there might be some delays when I finally replied. Of course, I shall still ignore all those hate mails - don't waste your own time if you are trying to do so and make spamming.


P.S. ALL embedded URLs could not be copied, sorry for that, for those who read!

P.S.2 JUST FEEL FREE TO DELETE IT, "Moderators". I know you have the total power! I just wish to say a last time goodbye to my friends here and who do really read what I write!


06-13-2009, 03:22 AM   #2
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You could really open your own forum (not joking)
06-13-2009, 03:25 AM   #3
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All I can say RH is bye.

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QuoteOriginally posted by RiceHigh Quote
I will not post anymore here, I have decided!

As per Adam's guys requested and I follow their views, I copy and paste my blog post here FOR THE LAST TIME for WHY!:-

Actually, I was rather busy yesterday with all kinds of my work engagements

People do (evils), God seen and other People knows! (An modern Chinese idiom!)

I KNOW well ITS THEIR SITE, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY LIKE! But this is of no justice but just evils!!

Do you think that I need to be afraid of such a silly and stupid threatening "warning"?
Too much drama for me.....Oh the humanity!!!!

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I'm confused.

How does this qualify as Pentax News?

Maybe it's just a rumor?

And why, when people decide to leave a forum, do they post a thread about leaving? Why not just leave and be done with it? After all, if you're really leaving, you're not going to read the replies, right?
06-13-2009, 04:10 AM   #6
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see ya.

as zntgrg mentioned, consider starting your own forum.
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I'm confused too and I understand NOTHING...
Rice had warning for WHAT?
You should get your K-7 on Saturday...

Yes, I posted it and I was glad that Rice could get K-7 so quickly.
What is the problem? Explain me, please, the situation...

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this forum is run by the self important


I agree with ricehigh and his supporters wholeheartedly. I only lurk nowadays and don't join in with the 'forum' as the 'forum' seems to be a vehicle for a few individuals who take themselves far too seriously and make a mockery of the whole idea of a forum, which is a place to discuss upon shared values and interests.

I have noticed increased antipathy towards anyone who says anything good about other brands, any constructive criticism against Pentax...Oh the list goes on!....What the forum does well is really good...The invaluable lens reviews, camera reviews , market place etc ..What good work from such few people, but this rabid fanboyism, FF carping and self importance of a few moribund and self important 'moderators' drives me mad...Which is why i generally don't join in anymore.

If people want to shoot me down, save your breath and your fingertips, I won't get dragged into anything, it's beneath my and any semi sane and literate persons' consideration.

Stop flaming people, stop being up your own a***s and go and take some photographs, instead of worrying about what great photographs you might be able to take if only you had blah blah waffle blah waffle.....

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Long post is long.
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I check your blog each day and will continue to do so. I appreciate your contribution to the Pentax world, even though it will not be as part of this forum.
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I appreciate RH's contribution as well. Whether his opinion is well received or not is irrelevant to me as it's just his opinion (the same as it's just people's opinions who complain about him). I find RH's information interesting - and anything I do read I follow up more on so that I can have a balanced opinion that I am comfortable with.

Good luck RH!

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Too bad... I enjoy reading what you have to say. You were the only one who provided us with real news on the K7 in my opinion. Sorry to see you go. Wish you continued success with your blog.
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"Peter Zack, who is well known to be a stupid fanboy but nothing else."
I like that. I wonder if I can make that my handle?? If you really knew me you wouldn't think so.

The quoted rule has been there since the early days of this forum. It is to control using this place as an advertising vehicle. So if you want to post a Wiki article to help explain a point, then fine but if you repeatedly post your blog, web site etc as a redirect off this site. Guess what? I'm going to delete the link and close the thread. Although not the case here, if language and member treatment gets nasty, that will get special attention from the Mods as well.

Geez my chest must be really puffed out (as I lay on my death bed???).
"self importance of a few moribund and self important 'moderators' drives me mad"
2 Self importance's in one sentence. Those that choose to criticize what we try to do don't really understand. We volunteer the time to keep things civil here. The goal being that everyone is made to feel welcome and the rules of the forum are observed. If you don't like the rules or how we apply them, then sorry but we won't change that.

I would like to think that but for a few, the membership doesn't see us being heavy handed and generally we don't get involved in the hundreds of posts made here every day. We will enforce the sites rules and step in when behavior or language turn the tone to a negative direction.

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Okay, wow, that's quite a rant.

Okay, wow, that's quite a rant.

I agree that people have been unnecessarily rude based on perception of past history. That's not cool.

I don't think there's a problem in general with linking to our own sites and blogs, but that specific behavior isn't really the core of what's frustrating people.

Rice High, you do have a tendency towards self-promotion not just of your blog, but of your identity in general. This long screed is a continuation of that not really anything new. I've defended you before when I thought it warranted, but this sort of snit makes it hard to do so.
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Ricehigh is leaving.

That's not gonna happen, the guy love drama too much and enjoys being annoying too much for that to be true.

But if it IS true, let's dance and then go take pictures as we are supposed to
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