Evilbay troubles

Pwn4g3_P13 · 08-14-2009, 10:26 AM

Received a buy it now of 190 pound for my K100D with lens, buyer with no feedback, who just asked me this.

Quote:

'Hello,

I will be paying you via PayPal first thing tomorrow morning so that you will post it out to him via Royal Mail Airmail International, once i do that i will email you and give you the delivery address cause i am buying it as a gift for my Nephew in Lagos Nigeria.

Hope to hear from you soon.
Regards.
Gloria'

Ive told her i'll only ship it to a confirmed paypal address, is that enough to ensure me?

Thanks guys - my fault for using evilbay I guess...

pbo · 08-14-2009, 10:31 AM

Isn't that the usual Nigeria scam? I wonder if they'd come up with something more original...
Try posting something like selling a laptop on craigslist - you'll get almost identical scam emails with requests to ship to Nigeria 5 times in the first three hours. I'd say contact ebay or paypal, or if you're feeling really lucky, try sending him the invoice with most expensive shipping option - with tracking, signature confirmation, etc. Express should probably suffice, not sure about how it goes in England. I'm not sure if that'd save you if he decides to screw you over with paypal's buyer protection policy.

pbo · 08-14-2009, 10:44 AM

Just in case, I'm pretty sure you can change shipping options after end of auction - so why not add the express mail option as the only means of International shipping? That's, again, if you're feeling lucky.

ve2vfd · 08-14-2009, 10:51 AM

That is one of the very common nigerian scams... BEWARE!

The money transfer will probably be far greater than the sales price (£1190 instead of £190), and due to "technical difficulties" they'll ask that you send back some of the money in cash form or as a check. To boot the transfer will probably be done with a stolen credit card or hijacked paypal account.

Check out: Welcome to the 419 Eater they are a group that baits and busts the scammers.

I would NOT deal with that person, and you should also report them to ebay and paypal security.

Pat

pbo · 08-14-2009, 11:00 AM

Quote:

£1190 instead of £190

Oh... I didn't know about that part... Usually just ignored those people so didn't even get to that stage...

séamuis · 08-14-2009, 11:14 AM

Quote:

I would NOT deal with that person, and you should also report them to ebay and paypal security.

heed this advice and save yourself the trouble. you are the seller, as such you have the right to refuse to sell. do so, and report this to ebay and paypal.

Ari · 08-14-2009, 11:33 AM

They will send you a spoof email about funds being available in your email account. Send it to: spoof@paypal.com. You'll knoe it's bogus because you won't be able to log in to your paypal account if you hit the link from the email they endt you (also, view long headers from the email - you'll see a bogus address).

Ratmagiclady · 08-14-2009, 03:33 PM

Yeah, that's so sketchy it's a Giacometti, even if Nigeria wasn't mentioned.

I'd do as suggested by others here.

Pwn4g3_P13 · 08-14-2009, 04:48 PM

Yeah - coming back to it - it's so obviously a scam I have to knock one or two points off my 'interwebz score'

Time to have some fun methinks.

creampuff · 08-14-2009, 05:26 PM

If the person is buying from YOU and sending YOU the money by Paypal, how is it a Nigerian scam? They aren't asking you to fork out any money. You're the seller and you're using Paypal, you get the money from THEM first...
And isn't Nigeria part of the Commonwealth? so mail services isn't an issue I should think. Sorry but I don't actually see any issues selling to someone in Africa provided they pay me first. I have sent out packages to Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa and Ghana with no issues except for a slightly longer shipping time. For the packages that I sent out to Nigeria and Ghana, the recipient sent payment via direct transfer from Zenith Bank with no issues.

Pwn4g3_P13 · 08-14-2009, 05:55 PM

That's the thing - but the double whammy of 'Nigeria' and 0 feedback just screams scam - and paypal has been known to reverse transactions, allowing scammers to retrive the money after receiving the object...

code4code5 · 08-14-2009, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by creampuff

If the person is buying from YOU and sending YOU the money by Paypal, how is it a Nigerian scam? They aren't asking you to fork out any money. You're the seller and you're using Paypal, you get the money from THEM first...
And isn't Nigeria part of the Commonwealth? so mail services isn't an issue I should think. Sorry but I don't actually see any issues selling to someone in Africa provided they pay me first. I have sent out packages to Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa and Ghana with no issues except for a slightly longer shipping time. For the packages that I sent out to Nigeria and Ghana, the recipient sent payment via direct transfer from Zenith Bank with no issues.

They aren't now, but they WILL ask him to send him money just as the earlier poster explained. TRUST ME... Do not deal with this person whatsoever. I haven't had to deal with eBay on this so I have no frame of reference as to what they will do, but you have every reason to be concerned.

You, my friend, have been fished.

creampuff · 08-14-2009, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Pwn4g3_P13

That's the thing - but the double whammy of 'Nigeria' and 0 feedback just screams scam - and paypal has been known to reverse transactions, allowing scammers to retrive the money after receiving the object...

Not if you have documentary and perhaps photographic evidence that the item was shipped out. At the point of shipping out you can ask the post office for an Advice of receipt/delivery that the recipient has to sign and which offers confirmation that the item was delivered. I've had a few eBay transactions from deadbeat buyers who tried to claim non delivery and Paypal ruled in my favor because there is clear evidence who is the bona fide party.

X Man · 08-14-2009, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by creampuff

If the person is buying from YOU and sending YOU the money by Paypal, how is it a Nigerian scam?

Well, you have to admit that Nigerian scams are about as common as slugs in a garden in the middle of summertime, no?

As a seller I'm only shipping to a Paypal Confirmed address. If Gloria want's to give the item as a gift to her whatever in Nigeria she's more than welcome to ship it off to him after she receives it. I'd ship it to her, and only her. Period.

Regards,
Mike

alohadave · 08-15-2009, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by creampuff

Not if you have documentary and perhaps photographic evidence that the item was shipped out. At the point of shipping out you can ask the post office for an Advice of receipt/delivery that the recipient has to sign and which offers confirmation that the item was delivered. I've had a few eBay transactions from deadbeat buyers who tried to claim non delivery and Paypal ruled in my favor because there is clear evidence who is the bona fide party.

Why risk it though? The pay and ship to a different address is used in every single Nigerian scam. The next step is that they overpay from a fraudulent account, request that you send them the overage back, and keep a percentage for your 'trouble'. It works because people are greedy, and think that they will get a little bit of 'free' money for not much effort. The source of funds is always fake or fraudulent.

It is a well known scam and eBay will let you revoke the winning bid by that person.

08-14-2009, 10:26 AM	#1
Pwn4g3_P13 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Photos: Gallery Posts: 115	Evilbay troubles Received a buy it now of 190 pound for my K100D with lens, buyer with no feedback, who just asked me this. Quote: 'Hello, I will be paying you via PayPal first thing tomorrow morning so that you will post it out to him via Royal Mail Airmail International, once i do that i will email you and give you the delivery address cause i am buying it as a gift for my Nephew in Lagos Nigeria. Hope to hear from you soon. Regards. Gloria' Ive told her i'll only ship it to a confirmed paypal address, is that enough to ensure me? Thanks guys - my fault for using evilbay I guess...

08-14-2009, 05:26 PM	#10
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	Negative typecasting? If the person is buying from YOU and sending YOU the money by Paypal, how is it a Nigerian scam? They aren't asking you to fork out any money. You're the seller and you're using Paypal, you get the money from THEM first... And isn't Nigeria part of the Commonwealth? so mail services isn't an issue I should think. Sorry but I don't actually see any issues selling to someone in Africa provided they pay me first. I have sent out packages to Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa and Ghana with no issues except for a slightly longer shipping time. For the packages that I sent out to Nigeria and Ghana, the recipient sent payment via direct transfer from Zenith Bank with no issues.

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08-14-2009, 10:31 AM	#2
pbo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 891	Isn't that the usual Nigeria scam? I wonder if they'd come up with something more original... Try posting something like selling a laptop on craigslist - you'll get almost identical scam emails with requests to ship to Nigeria 5 times in the first three hours. I'd say contact ebay or paypal, or if you're feeling really lucky, try sending him the invoice with most expensive shipping option - with tracking, signature confirmation, etc. Express should probably suffice, not sure about how it goes in England. I'm not sure if that'd save you if he decides to screw you over with paypal's buyer protection policy.

08-14-2009, 10:44 AM	#3
pbo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 891	Just in case, I'm pretty sure you can change shipping options after end of auction - so why not add the express mail option as the only means of International shipping? That's, again, if you're feeling lucky.

08-14-2009, 10:51 AM	#4
ve2vfd Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,433	That is one of the very common nigerian scams... BEWARE! The money transfer will probably be far greater than the sales price (£1190 instead of £190), and due to "technical difficulties" they'll ask that you send back some of the money in cash form or as a check. To boot the transfer will probably be done with a stolen credit card or hijacked paypal account. Check out: Welcome to the 419 Eater they are a group that baits and busts the scammers. I would NOT deal with that person, and you should also report them to ebay and paypal security. Pat

08-14-2009, 11:00 AM	#5
pbo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 891	Quote: £1190 instead of £190 Oh... I didn't know about that part... Usually just ignored those people so didn't even get to that stage...

08-14-2009, 11:14 AM	#6
séamuis Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Savannah, U.S./Baguio City, P.H. Posts: 5,979	Quote: I would NOT deal with that person, and you should also report them to ebay and paypal security. heed this advice and save yourself the trouble. you are the seller, as such you have the right to refuse to sell. do so, and report this to ebay and paypal.

08-14-2009, 11:33 AM	#7
Ari Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Freehold, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 856	They will send you a spoof email about funds being available in your email account. Send it to: spoof@paypal.com. You'll knoe it's bogus because you won't be able to log in to your paypal account if you hit the link from the email they endt you (also, view long headers from the email - you'll see a bogus address).

08-14-2009, 03:33 PM	#8
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Yeah, that's so sketchy it's a Giacometti, even if Nigeria wasn't mentioned. I'd do as suggested by others here.

08-14-2009, 04:48 PM	#9
Pwn4g3_P13 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Photos: Gallery Posts: 115 Original Poster	Yeah - coming back to it - it's so obviously a scam I have to knock one or two points off my 'interwebz score' Time to have some fun methinks.

08-14-2009, 05:55 PM	#11
Pwn4g3_P13 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Photos: Gallery Posts: 115 Original Poster	That's the thing - but the double whammy of 'Nigeria' and 0 feedback just screams scam - and paypal has been known to reverse transactions, allowing scammers to retrive the money after receiving the object...

08-14-2009, 09:51 PM	#12
code4code5 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Denver, CO Photos: Gallery Posts: 438	Originally posted by creampuff If the person is buying from YOU and sending YOU the money by Paypal, how is it a Nigerian scam? They aren't asking you to fork out any money. You're the seller and you're using Paypal, you get the money from THEM first... And isn't Nigeria part of the Commonwealth? so mail services isn't an issue I should think. Sorry but I don't actually see any issues selling to someone in Africa provided they pay me first. I have sent out packages to Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa and Ghana with no issues except for a slightly longer shipping time. For the packages that I sent out to Nigeria and Ghana, the recipient sent payment via direct transfer from Zenith Bank with no issues. They aren't now, but they WILL ask him to send him money just as the earlier poster explained. TRUST ME... Do not deal with this person whatsoever. I haven't had to deal with eBay on this so I have no frame of reference as to what they will do, but you have every reason to be concerned. You, my friend, have been fished.

08-14-2009, 10:24 PM	#13
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	Originally posted by Pwn4g3_P13 That's the thing - but the double whammy of 'Nigeria' and 0 feedback just screams scam - and paypal has been known to reverse transactions, allowing scammers to retrive the money after receiving the object... Not if you have documentary and perhaps photographic evidence that the item was shipped out. At the point of shipping out you can ask the post office for an Advice of receipt/delivery that the recipient has to sign and which offers confirmation that the item was delivered. I've had a few eBay transactions from deadbeat buyers who tried to claim non delivery and Paypal ruled in my favor because there is clear evidence who is the bona fide party.

08-14-2009, 10:24 PM	#14
X Man Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Maine Photos: Gallery Posts: 478	Originally posted by creampuff If the person is buying from YOU and sending YOU the money by Paypal, how is it a Nigerian scam? Well, you have to admit that Nigerian scams are about as common as slugs in a garden in the middle of summertime, no? As a seller I'm only shipping to a Paypal Confirmed address. If Gloria want's to give the item as a gift to her whatever in Nigeria she's more than welcome to ship it off to him after she receives it. I'd ship it to her, and only her. Period. Regards, Mike

08-15-2009, 12:00 AM	#15
alohadave Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Quincy, MA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,024	Originally posted by creampuff Not if you have documentary and perhaps photographic evidence that the item was shipped out. At the point of shipping out you can ask the post office for an Advice of receipt/delivery that the recipient has to sign and which offers confirmation that the item was delivered. I've had a few eBay transactions from deadbeat buyers who tried to claim non delivery and Paypal ruled in my favor because there is clear evidence who is the bona fide party. Why risk it though? The pay and ship to a different address is used in every single Nigerian scam. The next step is that they overpay from a fraudulent account, request that you send them the overage back, and keep a percentage for your 'trouble'. It works because people are greedy, and think that they will get a little bit of 'free' money for not much effort. The source of funds is always fake or fraudulent. It is a well known scam and eBay will let you revoke the winning bid by that person.