[rparmar]

Jeebus, the hate in you guys is so thick, it's a wonder how it leaks out of your skulls.

If you remove a kitten from its mother it'll never learn how to behave. Yes, it may survive, but only as a feral thing. Some people just never had mothers who taught them how to be civilised.

And that's just the way the state likes it. Keep us separate and ill-informed, full of hate and selfishness. Indoctrinate us with "the rights of the individual" and greed as a religion. Keep us full of bad logic, mysticism and nonsense. Then we can be controlled.

That said, I am convinced that Kennedy had less innocent people deaths on his conscience than anyone who schemed for, supported and voted in favor of the Iraq war, but that again is just my opinion.

That is not an opinion; it is documented fact. Some people are good at ignoring facts though, generally by slandering those who deliver them. World Health Organisation... aren't they a bunch of communists?

Jeebus, the hate in you guys is so thick, it's a wonder how it leaks out of your skulls. Ted Kennedy was one of the most opinionated politicians in the modern history of this country, and he never displayed that kind of seething hatred. And frankly, that alone makes him a better man than either of you, in my opinion.

Second, the kind of legislation he was instrumental to pass is a tribute to his service, has greatly benefited the nation, and will live on after we and all the haters have followed him.

And finally, just to correct another piece of common misinformation: only Kennedy and Kopechne knew what really happened that night at Chappaquiddick before and immediately after the accident, but one thing we actually do know, and is a matter of record, is that Kennedy did go to ask for help, walking back to the house where he and Kopechne had been, and went back to the scene with two friends to try to do something. He was accused, and pleaded guilty of not reporting the accident to the police for many hours, which of course it's mandatory for any accident. Nevertheless, it is clear that Kennedy should have acted more promptly and effectively that night, regardless of his state of shock and purported concussion, and perhaps that might have saved Ms. Kopechne's life. It is also clear that he escaped from the incident with really inadequate punishment, but that was hardly uncommon then for powerful white folks, as it still is, and it seems rather hypocritical for some of the staunchest supporters of the existing judicial system bias to complain about it only when the benefiting powerful white man is a liberal.

That said, I am convinced that Kennedy had less innocent people deaths on his conscience than anyone who schemed for, supported and voted in favor of the Iraq war, but that again is just my opinion.

Let's face it the media puts forth his "accomplishments" and what he was for while on the other hand when it's a conservative they put forth what he is against and his failures.

Kennedy was a man. He wasn't a god. He was also a drunk. He had many failures just as conservative have many successes. But the media has no bias. Sure.

[flippedgazelle]

Let's face it the media puts forth his "accomplishments" and what he was for while on the other hand when it's a conservative they put forth what he is against and his failures.

Kennedy was a man. He wasn't a god. He was also a drunk. He had many failures just as conservative have many successes. But the media has no bias. Sure.

I agree with your sarcasm. Much of the "media" has a strong anti-liberal, pro-ultraconservative bias.

Good thing there are so many stations & channels & publications available.

[Blue]

If you remove a kitten from its mother it'll never learn how to behave. Yes, it may survive, but only as a feral thing. Some people just never had mothers who taught them how to be civilised.

And that's just the way the state likes it. Keep us separate and ill-informed, full of hate and selfishness. Indoctrinate us with "the rights of the individual" and greed as a religion. Keep us full of bad logic, mysticism and nonsense. Then we can be controlled.



That is not an opinion; it is documented fact. Some people are good at ignoring facts though, generally by slandering those who deliver them. World Health Organisation... aren't they a bunch of communists?

Let me see if I understand you here. Are you saying more mothers should teach their sons to take women out on late night drive and when there is an accident, they should leave them to drown in an upside down automobile? Especially when she had a high chance of survival if help had been called?

Even Jimmy Carter quipped that he (Jimmy) didn't panic in a crisis.

Edit: Just to make a point, there is no real comparison to JFK vs. Teddy or Robert vs. Teddy.

As far as Joe Kennedy is concerned, he was one of the biggest capitalists of the 20th Century.

I agree with your sarcasm. Much of the "media" has a strong anti-liberal, pro-ultraconservative bias.

Good thing there are so many stations & channels & publications available.

What planet are you looking at or are you on? If you are on earth I want some of the stuff you're smokin.



This is a post in jest!!!



But you really need to share.

But in all seriousness he was a very giving man. He loved giving OPM away.

[flippedgazelle]

What planet are you looking at or are you on? If you are on earth I want some of the stuff you're smokin.



This is a post in jest!!!



But you really need to share.

Sure...

(from Wikipedia)

Talkers Magazine compiles Arbitron's data, along with other sources, to estimate the minimum weekly audiences of various commercial long-form talk radio shows. The most recent results, from March of 2009, are as follows:

The Rush Limbaugh Show - 14.75 million. [9]
The Sean Hannity Show - 13.75 million.
Glenn Beck Program - 8.25 million.
The Savage Nation - 8.25 million.
The Dr. Laura Program - 8.25 million
The Laura Ingraham Show - 5.75 million
The Mark Levin Show - 5.75 million

[flippedgazelle]

Indoctrinate us with "the rights of the individual"...

Well, that is the foundation upon which the USA is constructed.

Sure...

(from Wikipedia)

Talkers Magazine compiles Arbitron's data, along with other sources, to estimate the minimum weekly audiences of various commercial long-form talk radio shows. The most recent results, from March of 2009, are as follows:

The Rush Limbaugh Show - 14.75 million. [9]
The Sean Hannity Show - 13.75 million.
Glenn Beck Program - 8.25 million.
The Savage Nation - 8.25 million.
The Dr. Laura Program - 8.25 million
The Laura Ingraham Show - 5.75 million
The Mark Levin Show - 5.75 million

You have Fox News. Fair and Balanced, and Clearchannel (which gave Air America a bunch of air time.) That's basically the conservative channels. The libs have CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNBC, and whatever stations GE owns. This has been gone thru before. Any way you shake it between the papers and TV the media is very liberal biased.

[flippedgazelle]

You have Fox News. Fair and Balanced, and Clearchannel (which gave Air America a bunch of air time.) That's basically the conservative channels. The libs have CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNBC, and whatever stations GE owns. This has been gone thru before. Any way you shake it between the papers and TV the media is very liberal biased.

W/o arguing what stations are "fair" and "biased", my point is that I read about conservatives complaining about "media bias", yet radio is "media" and generally biased toward the conservative side of things.

OK, I'll bite, just a little bit. Fox News' London Bureau chief basically says that Fox is conservative-biased: "Even we at Fox News manage to get some lefties on the air occasionally, and often let them finish their sentences before we club them to death and feed the scraps to Karl Rove and Bill O'Reilly. And those who hate us can take solace in the fact that they aren't subsidizing Bill's bombast; we payers of the BBC license fee don't enjoy that peace of mind. Fox News is, after all, a private channel and our presenters are quite open about where they stand on particular stories. That's our appeal. People watch us because they know what they are getting. The Beeb's (British Broadcasting Corporation) (BBC) institutionalized leftism would be easier to tolerate if the corporation was a little more honest about it”.

[Ratmagiclady]

If you believe Faux News *is* 'fair and balanced,' (How Orwellian can you get.) no wonder you think the rest of the media has a 'liberal bias,' ...They make ABC look like tree-huggers.

If you look at the statistics, 'conservatives' who watch Fox News are among the most factually-disinformed about what they're voting about by huge margins.

That's not an accident.

It's also not *news* if people are walking away convinced of things which are untrue, then voting for a particular party as if they were. Somehow, a huge number of 'Birthers' never got it through their heads that Hawaii is a *state,* for instance.

If you believe Faux News *is* 'fair and balanced,' (How Orwellian can you get.) no wonder you think the rest of the media has a 'liberal bias,' ...They make ABC look like tree-huggers.

If you look at the statistics, 'conservatives' who watch Fox News are among the most factually-disinformed about what they're voting about by huge margins.

That's not an accident.

It's also not *news* if people are walking away convinced of things which are untrue, then voting for a particular party as if they were. Somehow, a huge number of 'Birthers' never got it through their heads that Hawaii is a *state,* for instance.

What statistics? And CNN is factual? What a joke.

[slomojoe]

Let's face it the media puts forth his "accomplishments" and what he was for while on the other hand when it's a conservative they put forth what he is against and his failures.

Kennedy was a man. He wasn't a god. He was also a drunk. He had many failures just as conservative have many successes. But the media has no bias. Sure.

Let's be serious. The media has yet to find the basic courage to say that Reagan must have had symptoms of Alzheimer's *in office*, and his aides kept mum. Heck, they even turned Nixon's funeral into a positive spin event.

Let's be serious. The media has yet to find the basic courage to say that Reagan must have had symptoms of Alzheimer's *in office*, and his aides kept mum. Heck, they even turned Nixon's funeral into a positive spin event.

Coming from someone who thinks Carter was a good president I will file this post where it best fits.

[rparmar]

Let me see if I understand you here.

Your understanding is as good as ever.