Some interesting reading

graphicgr8s · 11-02-2009, 06:37 PM

As the title says:

Nancy Pelosi's New Health-Care Bill - WSJ.com

shooz · 11-02-2009, 06:45 PM

You do understand who owns the WSJ?
I don't believe a thing they say anymore.
Check out Reuters for business news.

flippedgazelle · 11-02-2009, 06:57 PM

It would be more interesting to me if the article were analysis rather than opinion.

I still think the gov't should not attempt to join in the healthcare industry, although perhaps the gov't should help to clean up the corrupt and horribly inefficient healthcare industry, which could in turn lower premiums, which in turn could mean more folks could afford healthcare.

Anyone know where to read a synopsis (not propaganda) of the GOP's healthcare plan? (Please, no "just die" comments!

)

Jodokast96 · 11-02-2009, 06:58 PM

You should run for office. That's probably the best health care proposal I've heard yet.

graphicgr8s · 11-02-2009, 07:08 PM

The GOP's Health-Care Alternative - WSJ.com

Health Care - GOP Solutions for America - GOP.gov

GOP&#39s Health Care Plan Outlined | NBC4i.com

http://www.gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/06-17-09_House__GOP_Solutions__Group__Outline.pdf

RawheaD · 11-02-2009, 07:09 PM

Oh just dandy, the WSJ. Can't wait to read the fair, balanced, and unbiased op-ed :-P

flippedgazelle · 11-02-2009, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by graphicgr8s

The GOP's Health-Care Alternative - WSJ.com

Health Care - GOP Solutions for America - GOP.gov

GOP's Health Care Plan Outlined | NBC4i.com

http://www.gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/06-17-09_House__GOP_Solutions__Group__Outline.pdf

Thanks, but the 1st 2 links are propaganda pieces, the 3rd doesn't actually say anything, the 4th is slightly better but still doesn't specify much. I guess I'll just have to Google around...

Das Boot · 11-02-2009, 07:36 PM

My local newspaper's Sunday edition had a headline saying that the health plan would only cover an additional 2% of people under the age of 65. The paper's owned by the New York Times. Every Sunday morning I get to work with this older gentleman and we talk politics and other BS. We're both cynics and don't take anything too seriously - I kind of think of him as an older me. Anyways, his take on the health bill was that the government needed to get everyone to sign on to cover the exploding (or the getting ready to explode) health costs of the baby boomers. It's a thought. Anyways, do you know why the lawyers have been sooooo quiet? The bill will eliminate a state's right for tort limitaton/reform if they opt in - what a way to reform health care. Usual Washington mumbo jumbo.

larryinlc · 11-02-2009, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by shooz

You do understand who owns the WSJ?
I don't believe a thing they say anymore.
Check out Reuters for business news.

Yes, this should be a concern for all Americans. Rupert Murdoch is rumored to be interested in NBC too now that GE is possibly selling it. Probably wouldn't pass the smell test though. It's no secret that he has an agenda and know's how to use it. He's trying to buy up the worlds news sources. He already owns a good chunk.

Larry

Das Boot · 11-02-2009, 08:20 PM

It's all a conspiracy against the ignorant people that don't understand how to filter what they hear, read or see. It's all propaganda!

flippedgazelle · 11-02-2009, 08:42 PM

This might be useful, although I have yet to delve into it:

Side-by-Side Comparison of Major Health Care Reform Proposals - Kaiser Family Foundation

p0opstlnksal0t · 11-02-2009, 08:49 PM

I do cringe at this new bill being voted on this week... The concept is "noble" but the execution is scary... Its like "gun control" its a nice concept but it wont work... same as communism.

Das Boot · 11-02-2009, 08:57 PM

Quote:

This might be useful, although I have yet to delve into it:

Side-by-Side Comparison of Major Health Care Reform Proposals - Kaiser Family Foundation

I have yet to get into either, but I didn't see dick (a check mark) on tort reform - that and legislation is what got us into this mess to begin with.

graphicgr8s · 11-02-2009, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by larryinlc

Yes, this should be a concern for all Americans. Rupert Murdoch is rumored to be interested in NBC too now that GE is possibly selling it. Probably wouldn't pass the smell test though. It's no secret that he has an agenda and know's how to use it. He's trying to buy up the worlds news sources. He already owns a good chunk.

Larry

And GE is an Obama puppet. Or is Obama a GE puppet? Along with CNN and MSNBC and CBS. Get real dude.

Just look at all the big donators sleeping in the White House.

I thought the Obama was touted as the great uniter? This country seems more divided than ever.

What happened to all the "transparency" the Obama promised?

shooz · 11-02-2009, 09:32 PM

I don't see anything in the bill to reform the insurance companys that got us in this mess.
Quite the opposite.
Just hand the consumer unlimited liability against those companies, while allowing none of them to use pre-existing conditions as an exclusion.
That's tort reform I can believe in.
Let the lawyers earn their keep.
Wallstreet and the courts will straighten iot out in no time flat!

PS. Picking up turds by the clean end is fox news stock in trade.

11-02-2009, 06:37 PM	#1
graphicgr8s Guest	Some interesting reading As the title says: Nancy Pelosi's New Health-Care Bill - WSJ.com

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11-02-2009, 06:45 PM	#2
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	You do understand who owns the WSJ? I don't believe a thing they say anymore. Check out Reuters for business news.

11-02-2009, 06:57 PM	#3
flippedgazelle Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,270	It would be more interesting to me if the article were analysis rather than opinion. I still think the gov't should not attempt to join in the healthcare industry, although perhaps the gov't should help to clean up the corrupt and horribly inefficient healthcare industry, which could in turn lower premiums, which in turn could mean more folks could afford healthcare. Anyone know where to read a synopsis (not propaganda) of the GOP's healthcare plan? (Please, no "just die" comments! )

11-02-2009, 06:58 PM	#4
Jodokast96 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Erial, NJ USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,134	You should run for office. That's probably the best health care proposal I've heard yet.

11-02-2009, 07:08 PM	#5
graphicgr8s Guest	The GOP's Health-Care Alternative - WSJ.com Health Care - GOP Solutions for America - GOP.gov GOP&#39s Health Care Plan Outlined \| NBC4i.com http://www.gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/06-17-09_House__GOP_Solutions__Group__Outline.pdf

11-02-2009, 07:09 PM	#6
RawheaD Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: MA, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 831	Oh just dandy, the WSJ. Can't wait to read the fair, balanced, and unbiased op-ed :-P

11-02-2009, 07:33 PM	#7
flippedgazelle Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,270	Originally posted by graphicgr8s The GOP's Health-Care Alternative - WSJ.com Health Care - GOP Solutions for America - GOP.gov GOP's Health Care Plan Outlined \| NBC4i.com http://www.gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/06-17-09_House__GOP_Solutions__Group__Outline.pdf Thanks, but the 1st 2 links are propaganda pieces, the 3rd doesn't actually say anything, the 4th is slightly better but still doesn't specify much. I guess I'll just have to Google around...

11-02-2009, 07:36 PM	#8
Das Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sparkle City, South Cackalacky Photos: Gallery Posts: 689	My local newspaper's Sunday edition had a headline saying that the health plan would only cover an additional 2% of people under the age of 65. The paper's owned by the New York Times. Every Sunday morning I get to work with this older gentleman and we talk politics and other BS. We're both cynics and don't take anything too seriously - I kind of think of him as an older me. Anyways, his take on the health bill was that the government needed to get everyone to sign on to cover the exploding (or the getting ready to explode) health costs of the baby boomers. It's a thought. Anyways, do you know why the lawyers have been sooooo quiet? The bill will eliminate a state's right for tort limitaton/reform if they opt in - what a way to reform health care. Usual Washington mumbo jumbo.

11-02-2009, 08:06 PM	#9
larryinlc Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Wisconsin USA Posts: 993	Originally posted by shooz You do understand who owns the WSJ? I don't believe a thing they say anymore. Check out Reuters for business news. Yes, this should be a concern for all Americans. Rupert Murdoch is rumored to be interested in NBC too now that GE is possibly selling it. Probably wouldn't pass the smell test though. It's no secret that he has an agenda and know's how to use it. He's trying to buy up the worlds news sources. He already owns a good chunk. Larry

11-02-2009, 08:20 PM	#10
Das Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sparkle City, South Cackalacky Photos: Gallery Posts: 689	It's all a conspiracy against the ignorant people that don't understand how to filter what they hear, read or see. It's all propaganda!

11-02-2009, 08:42 PM	#11
flippedgazelle Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,270	This might be useful, although I have yet to delve into it: Side-by-Side Comparison of Major Health Care Reform Proposals - Kaiser Family Foundation

11-02-2009, 08:49 PM	#12
p0opstlnksal0t Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: houston Posts: 165	I do cringe at this new bill being voted on this week... The concept is "noble" but the execution is scary... Its like "gun control" its a nice concept but it wont work... same as communism.

11-02-2009, 08:57 PM	#13
Das Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sparkle City, South Cackalacky Photos: Gallery Posts: 689	Quote: This might be useful, although I have yet to delve into it: Side-by-Side Comparison of Major Health Care Reform Proposals - Kaiser Family Foundation I have yet to get into either, but I didn't see dick (a check mark) on tort reform - that and legislation is what got us into this mess to begin with.

11-02-2009, 09:27 PM	#14
graphicgr8s Guest	Originally posted by larryinlc Yes, this should be a concern for all Americans. Rupert Murdoch is rumored to be interested in NBC too now that GE is possibly selling it. Probably wouldn't pass the smell test though. It's no secret that he has an agenda and know's how to use it. He's trying to buy up the worlds news sources. He already owns a good chunk. Larry And GE is an Obama puppet. Or is Obama a GE puppet? Along with CNN and MSNBC and CBS. Get real dude. Just look at all the big donators sleeping in the White House. I thought the Obama was touted as the great uniter? This country seems more divided than ever. What happened to all the "transparency" the Obama promised?

11-02-2009, 09:32 PM	#15
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	I don't see anything in the bill to reform the insurance companys that got us in this mess. Quite the opposite. Just hand the consumer unlimited liability against those companies, while allowing none of them to use pre-existing conditions as an exclusion. That's tort reform I can believe in. Let the lawyers earn their keep. Wallstreet and the courts will straighten iot out in no time flat! PS. Picking up turds by the clean end is fox news stock in trade.