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Das Boot · 11-10-2009, 08:21 PM

The shit's gonna hit the fan sooner than later. Folks out in Caly are going to have to fork out another 10% of their income as an interest free loan to the state. They're suppose to get that money back, but we'll see how that works out. It sounds like another tithe to me. New York is also falling short and is raising taxes. Their problem? The mass exodus of population looking for cheaper cost of living states. I wonder if raising those taxes will fix that decreasing population problem...

flippedgazelle · 11-10-2009, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Das Boot

The shit's gonna hit the fan sooner than later. Folks out in Caly are going to have to fork out another 10% of their income as an interest free loan to the state. They're suppose to get that money back, but we'll see how that works out. It sounds like another tithe to me. New York is also falling short and is raising taxes. Their problem? The mass exodus of population looking for cheaper cost of living states. I wonder if raising those taxes will fix that decreasing population problem...

Time for the movie studios to pay up?

seacapt · 11-11-2009, 12:10 AM

Do Nancy and Hillary use the same designer? Is the obnoxious look in this Fall?

**Ash** · 11-11-2009, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

protest!

what do you want me to say.

You make a valid point Goosh.
The US has this long history, though, of not being taxed for the things the rest of the world does. Now that this is under 'threat', there's this outrage for disturbing what's seemingly done fine until now - it's being considered a threat to their freedom.

Taxes are a form of imposed socialism - an evil concept for conservatives, no doubt, but as Gooshin says, and I agree, there's the reassurance that should there be a life-threatening emergency, there will be no questions asked - just definitive treatment to get the emergency sorted out.

Moreover, here in Australia, some states incorporate an Ambulance levy in every household's electricity bill. I've personally never been a patient in an ambulance, but I too would be happy to pay the few dollars for the levy for the peace of mind that if one of my family ever need to get in one, I don't have to worry about forking out $750 or whatever it costs thesedays for a potentially life-saving ride with bells and whistles to the nearest hospital.

Phil1 · 11-11-2009, 05:45 AM

How the liberal gov't really works. This is great. This is Murtha doing his best work with the exception of the Murtha Airport, The airport to nowhere.

YouTube - An Insult to Our Democracy

graphicgr8s · 11-11-2009, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by Ash

You make a valid point Goosh.
The US has this long history, though, of not being taxed for the things the rest of the world does. Now that this is under 'threat', there's this outrage for disturbing what's seemingly done fine until now - it's being considered a threat to their freedom.

Taxes are a form of imposed socialism - an evil concept for conservatives, no doubt, but as Gooshin says, and I agree, there's the reassurance that should there be a life-threatening emergency, there will be no questions asked - just definitive treatment to get the emergency sorted out.

Moreover, here in Australia, some states incorporate an Ambulance levy in every household's electricity bill. I've personally never been a patient in an ambulance, but I too would be happy to pay the few dollars for the levy for the peace of mind that if one of my family ever need to get in one, I don't have to worry about forking out $750 or whatever it costs thesedays for a potentially life-saving ride with bells and whistles to the nearest hospital.

Guess you miss the point Ash. We don't mind paying our share. Just seems they spend it like it's going out of style. There are certain things that can only be run by some level of government. She got the votes by promising earmarks. Like the original bailout was increased over 100 billion US dollars because she added 100 billion in earmarks. This administration is about as transparent as a concrete block wall. As much as they are suppose to represent the will of the people the only thing they care about is their own re-election and the lining of their own pockets.

Peter Zack · 11-11-2009, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by flippedgazelle

The idea behind the creation of America as to not be like "every other nation".
Taxes played a huge role in the War for Independence.

Perhaps if more people in other countries asked about taxes, there would be a little less political corruption world-wide.

Joking correct? Political corruption in the US is certainly as high or higher than anywhere else. Politicians in every state are owned by some special interest group because it costs so much to get elected. Plus the voting system is a mess and they are basically running 100% of the time for the next election.

Originally posted by graphicgr8s

Guess you miss the point Ash. We don't mind paying our share. Just seems they spend it like it's going out of style. There are certain things that can only be run by some level of government. She got the votes by promising earmarks. Like the original bailout was increased over 100 billion US dollars because she added 100 billion in earmarks. This administration is about as transparent as a concrete block wall. As much as they are suppose to represent the will of the people the only thing they care about is their own re-election and the lining of their own pockets.

Very true, no politician before the current lot has ever been selfish about re election.

graphicgr8s · 11-11-2009, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by Peter Zack

Joking correct? Political corruption in the US is certainly as high or higher than anywhere else. Politicians in every state are owned by some special interest group because it costs so much to get elected. Plus the voting system is a mess and they are basically running 100% of the time for the next election.

Very true, no politician before the current lot has ever been selfish about re election.

Peter he ran on "transparency" Never said they weren't selfish at all though.

flippedgazelle · 11-11-2009, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Peter Zack

Joking correct? Political corruption in the US is certainly as high or higher than anywhere else. Politicians in every state are owned by some special interest group because it costs so much to get elected. Plus the voting system is a mess and they are basically running 100% of the time for the next election.

I never said that US politics isn't corrupt - in fact, I've complained about it often enough. However, watchdog group Transparency Int'l would disagree with you about US corruption being certainly as high or higher than anywhere else.

Parallax · 11-11-2009, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

Why is it that you americans are so defensive when it comes to taxes when every other nation in the world pays them and doesnt ask silly questions as to whether it is required by law or not....................

Originally posted by Ash

You make a valid point Goosh.
The US has this long history, though, of not being taxed for the things the rest of the world does. Now that this is under 'threat', there's this outrage for disturbing what's seemingly done fine until now - it's being considered a threat to their freedom.....................

The issue is not paying taxes. The issue is not totally how much tax. Lets say I was your neighbor, co worker, etc. and I came to you and said "please help me. I am having a really rough stretch and I need $100.00. I need food and I'm dead broke. I won't lie to you, you won't get the money back as I have no way to repay it."
You are feeling charitable so you give me a hundred bucks and then watch me walk right past the grocery store to the liquor store. I come out with a fifth of Old Overholt and walk straight into Madame Rachael's Whoopee Parlor and spend the rest of it. I'm betting that you might be just a little ticked off. Now imagine that the next time I try it you say no f----- way, but the government steps in, takes the money away from you and gives to me.

Gooshin · 11-11-2009, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by graphicgr8s

We don't mind paying our share.

bullshit

post after post after post you question the tax man

and those videos about "where does it state in the law that we have to pay taxes", good lord!

Gooshin · 11-11-2009, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by graphicgr8s

As much as they are suppose to represent the will of the people the only thing they care about is their own re-election and the lining of their own pockets.

someone still gets paid, writers, news comentators, flyer printing companies, etc etc etc.

i doubt Obama is sitting on a suitcase filled with millions of dollars... all that money WENT some where, to someone, people just like you (or unlike you) with 9-5 jobs.

dont you people understand that money spent does not magically disappear! If spent within the borders it just changes hands.

reeftool · 11-11-2009, 10:12 AM

I work for a large company and have a pretty decent health insurance plan. I pay $55 a week to cover my family so it isn't exactly free. From most people I know, that is just about an average cost and people who work for smaller companys will pay more. To be honest I don't really care who gets my 55 bucks, the govt. plan if it comes about or the insurance company. When I worked for a smaller dealership years ago I was paying a similar price for a policy that wasn't worth the paper it was written on and ended up paying thousands after my kid had her appendix revoved. Due to some complications, she needed some follow up care for a few years and I was stuck with a crappy job I couldn't quit because of those "pre existing condition rules". I got lucky because my former boss sold out to a large company who could provide good health coverage. Most people are already shelling out well over 10% of their income already for health insurance.

Rather than nationalizing health care, controling costs would be a much better option. Ending the pre existing condition bull and tort reform, ending the malpractice lawsuits. That will never happen as most legistators are lawyers. They aren't too bright however because if all this ends up with doctors and health care workers as govt. employees they would be suing themselves. Health care costs are outrageous. Many companys are not hiring or have cut back their staff more because of benefit costs. Lay off a whole shift and split the work between the others and paying out the overtime saves them a fortune.

flippedgazelle · 11-11-2009, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Gooshin

dont you people understand that money spent does not magically disappear! If spent within the borders it just changes hands.

It may not "disappear", but seems to end up in undeserving hands.

For example:

The New York Yankees have a new stadium. They didn't need a new stadium, they just wanted one.

The Yankees received hundreds of millions of $$ in "public financing" for the new stadium. This, despite the fact that the Forbes est. value of the Yankees is $1.5 billion. The Yankees have a yearly revenue of almost $ 500,000,000.

How is it fair that public money supports this?

causey · 11-11-2009, 10:23 AM

"Nationalization":

"the act of taking an industry or assets into the public ownership of a national government or state." (wikipedia)

"To convert from private to governmental ownership and control: nationalize the steel industry." (freeonlinedictionary.com)

"Takeover of privately owned corporations, industries, and resources by a government with or without compensation." (businessdictionary.com)

11-11-2009, 12:10 AM	#18
seacapt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: North Carolina , USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,271	Do Nancy and Hillary use the same designer? Is the obnoxious look in this Fall? Last edited by seacapt; 11-11-2009 at 02:17 AM. Reason: good taste

11-11-2009, 09:02 AM	#24
flippedgazelle Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,270	Originally posted by Peter Zack Joking correct? Political corruption in the US is certainly as high or higher than anywhere else. Politicians in every state are owned by some special interest group because it costs so much to get elected. Plus the voting system is a mess and they are basically running 100% of the time for the next election. I never said that US politics isn't corrupt - in fact, I've complained about it often enough. However, watchdog group Transparency Int'l would disagree with you about US corruption being certainly as high or higher than anywhere else. Attached Images

11-11-2009, 09:56 AM	#27
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	Originally posted by graphicgr8s As much as they are suppose to represent the will of the people the only thing they care about is their own re-election and the lining of their own pockets. someone still gets paid, writers, news comentators, flyer printing companies, etc etc etc. i doubt Obama is sitting on a suitcase filled with millions of dollars... all that money WENT some where, to someone, people just like you (or unlike you) with 9-5 jobs. dont you people understand that money spent does not magically disappear! If spent within the borders it just changes hands. Last edited by Gooshin; 11-11-2009 at 10:13 AM.

11-11-2009, 10:23 AM	#30
causey Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington, VA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,757	"Nationalization": "the act of taking an industry or assets into the public ownership of a national government or state." (wikipedia) "To convert from private to governmental ownership and control: nationalize the steel industry." (freeonlinedictionary.com) "Takeover of privately owned corporations, industries, and resources by a government with or without compensation." (businessdictionary.com) Last edited by causey; 11-11-2009 at 10:34 AM.

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Das Boot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sparkle City, South Cackalacky Photos: Gallery Posts: 689	The shit's gonna hit the fan sooner than later. Folks out in Caly are going to have to fork out another 10% of their income as an interest free loan to the state. They're suppose to get that money back, but we'll see how that works out. It sounds like another tithe to me. New York is also falling short and is raising taxes. Their problem? The mass exodus of population looking for cheaper cost of living states. I wonder if raising those taxes will fix that decreasing population problem...

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flippedgazelle Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,270	Originally posted by Das Boot The shit's gonna hit the fan sooner than later. Folks out in Caly are going to have to fork out another 10% of their income as an interest free loan to the state. They're suppose to get that money back, but we'll see how that works out. It sounds like another tithe to me. New York is also falling short and is raising taxes. Their problem? The mass exodus of population looking for cheaper cost of living states. I wonder if raising those taxes will fix that decreasing population problem... Time for the movie studios to pay up?

11-11-2009, 03:17 AM	#19
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Originally posted by Gooshin protest! what do you want me to say. You make a valid point Goosh. The US has this long history, though, of not being taxed for the things the rest of the world does. Now that this is under 'threat', there's this outrage for disturbing what's seemingly done fine until now - it's being considered a threat to their freedom. Taxes are a form of imposed socialism - an evil concept for conservatives, no doubt, but as Gooshin says, and I agree, there's the reassurance that should there be a life-threatening emergency, there will be no questions asked - just definitive treatment to get the emergency sorted out. Moreover, here in Australia, some states incorporate an Ambulance levy in every household's electricity bill. I've personally never been a patient in an ambulance, but I too would be happy to pay the few dollars for the levy for the peace of mind that if one of my family ever need to get in one, I don't have to worry about forking out $750 or whatever it costs thesedays for a potentially life-saving ride with bells and whistles to the nearest hospital.

11-11-2009, 05:45 AM	#20
Phil1 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,292	How the liberal gov't really works. This is great. This is Murtha doing his best work with the exception of the Murtha Airport, The airport to nowhere. YouTube - An Insult to Our Democracy

11-11-2009, 07:01 AM	#21
graphicgr8s Guest	Originally posted by Ash You make a valid point Goosh. The US has this long history, though, of not being taxed for the things the rest of the world does. Now that this is under 'threat', there's this outrage for disturbing what's seemingly done fine until now - it's being considered a threat to their freedom. Taxes are a form of imposed socialism - an evil concept for conservatives, no doubt, but as Gooshin says, and I agree, there's the reassurance that should there be a life-threatening emergency, there will be no questions asked - just definitive treatment to get the emergency sorted out. Moreover, here in Australia, some states incorporate an Ambulance levy in every household's electricity bill. I've personally never been a patient in an ambulance, but I too would be happy to pay the few dollars for the levy for the peace of mind that if one of my family ever need to get in one, I don't have to worry about forking out $750 or whatever it costs thesedays for a potentially life-saving ride with bells and whistles to the nearest hospital. Guess you miss the point Ash. We don't mind paying our share. Just seems they spend it like it's going out of style. There are certain things that can only be run by some level of government. She got the votes by promising earmarks. Like the original bailout was increased over 100 billion US dollars because she added 100 billion in earmarks. This administration is about as transparent as a concrete block wall. As much as they are suppose to represent the will of the people the only thing they care about is their own re-election and the lining of their own pockets.

11-11-2009, 07:45 AM	#22
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	Originally posted by flippedgazelle The idea behind the creation of America as to not be like "every other nation". Taxes played a huge role in the War for Independence. Perhaps if more people in other countries asked about taxes, there would be a little less political corruption world-wide. Joking correct? Political corruption in the US is certainly as high or higher than anywhere else. Politicians in every state are owned by some special interest group because it costs so much to get elected. Plus the voting system is a mess and they are basically running 100% of the time for the next election. Originally posted by graphicgr8s Guess you miss the point Ash. We don't mind paying our share. Just seems they spend it like it's going out of style. There are certain things that can only be run by some level of government. She got the votes by promising earmarks. Like the original bailout was increased over 100 billion US dollars because she added 100 billion in earmarks. This administration is about as transparent as a concrete block wall. As much as they are suppose to represent the will of the people the only thing they care about is their own re-election and the lining of their own pockets. Very true, no politician before the current lot has ever been selfish about re election.

11-11-2009, 08:05 AM	#23
graphicgr8s Guest	Originally posted by Peter Zack Joking correct? Political corruption in the US is certainly as high or higher than anywhere else. Politicians in every state are owned by some special interest group because it costs so much to get elected. Plus the voting system is a mess and they are basically running 100% of the time for the next election. Very true, no politician before the current lot has ever been selfish about re election. Peter he ran on "transparency" Never said they weren't selfish at all though.

11-11-2009, 09:38 AM	#25
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by Gooshin Why is it that you americans are so defensive when it comes to taxes when every other nation in the world pays them and doesnt ask silly questions as to whether it is required by law or not.................... Originally posted by Ash You make a valid point Goosh. The US has this long history, though, of not being taxed for the things the rest of the world does. Now that this is under 'threat', there's this outrage for disturbing what's seemingly done fine until now - it's being considered a threat to their freedom..................... The issue is not paying taxes. The issue is not totally how much tax. Lets say I was your neighbor, co worker, etc. and I came to you and said "please help me. I am having a really rough stretch and I need $100.00. I need food and I'm dead broke. I won't lie to you, you won't get the money back as I have no way to repay it." You are feeling charitable so you give me a hundred bucks and then watch me walk right past the grocery store to the liquor store. I come out with a fifth of Old Overholt and walk straight into Madame Rachael's Whoopee Parlor and spend the rest of it. I'm betting that you might be just a little ticked off. Now imagine that the next time I try it you say no f----- way, but the government steps in, takes the money away from you and gives to me.

11-11-2009, 09:49 AM	#26
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	Originally posted by graphicgr8s We don't mind paying our share. bullshit post after post after post you question the tax man and those videos about "where does it state in the law that we have to pay taxes", good lord!

11-11-2009, 10:12 AM	#28
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,554	I work for a large company and have a pretty decent health insurance plan. I pay $55 a week to cover my family so it isn't exactly free. From most people I know, that is just about an average cost and people who work for smaller companys will pay more. To be honest I don't really care who gets my 55 bucks, the govt. plan if it comes about or the insurance company. When I worked for a smaller dealership years ago I was paying a similar price for a policy that wasn't worth the paper it was written on and ended up paying thousands after my kid had her appendix revoved. Due to some complications, she needed some follow up care for a few years and I was stuck with a crappy job I couldn't quit because of those "pre existing condition rules". I got lucky because my former boss sold out to a large company who could provide good health coverage. Most people are already shelling out well over 10% of their income already for health insurance. Rather than nationalizing health care, controling costs would be a much better option. Ending the pre existing condition bull and tort reform, ending the malpractice lawsuits. That will never happen as most legistators are lawyers. They aren't too bright however because if all this ends up with doctors and health care workers as govt. employees they would be suing themselves. Health care costs are outrageous. Many companys are not hiring or have cut back their staff more because of benefit costs. Lay off a whole shift and split the work between the others and paying out the overtime saves them a fortune.

11-11-2009, 10:21 AM	#29
flippedgazelle Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,270	Originally posted by Gooshin dont you people understand that money spent does not magically disappear! If spent within the borders it just changes hands. It may not "disappear", but seems to end up in undeserving hands. For example: The New York Yankees have a new stadium. They didn't need a new stadium, they just wanted one. The Yankees received hundreds of millions of $$ in "public financing" for the new stadium. This, despite the fact that the Forbes est. value of the Yankees is $1.5 billion. The Yankees have a yearly revenue of almost $ 500,000,000. How is it fair that public money supports this?