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11-11-2009, 09:28 PM   #1
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An act

Of terrorism. That's what we really had at Ft. Hood. Of course you can't call it that. It's a man made disaster. Or a tragedy. Call it anything but what it really was. That's the Obama Way.

11-11-2009, 09:41 PM   #2
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So, is this a thread about what happened at Ft. Hood (because we already have one) or is it to be used as another attack on Obama because I can change the title if you like.

As far as what happened goes, I'm sure the facts will become clearer as time goes on, anything said before then is pure speculation based on opinion, not fact.
11-11-2009, 09:45 PM   #3
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QuoteOriginally posted by Damn Brit Quote
So, is this a thread about what happened at Ft. Hood (because we already have one) or is it to be used as another attack on Obama because I can change the title if you like.

As far as what happened goes, I'm sure the facts will become clearer as time goes on, anything said before then is pure speculation based on opinion, not fact.
We know some facts already. He was in touch with Al Queda. Will post more tomorrow. But that's good for a start.

Could look here at a slideshow he gave in 07

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/Hasan_2007.pdf
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Obviously you're so skewed in your thinking that you would label everything an act of terrorism and at the same time take a cheap shot at your own President. Yes the shooter was a disturbed individual and may even have attempted to contact people known to have terrorist links, but was the act perpetrated by a terror group? Who has come forward to claim responsibility for the shooting, as is customary of every terrorist organization from ETA, the IRA, even Al-Queda.

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QuoteOriginally posted by graphicgr8s Quote
We know some facts already. He was in touch with Al Queda. Will post more tomorrow. But that's good for a start.

Could look here at a slideshow he gave in 07

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/Hasan_2007.pdf

Yeah, I've heard quite a few snippets here and there on the radio. The question arises "which agency dropped the ball on this one".
If this goes back to '07, that puts it on your guys watch.
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If T. McVeigh is the definition of "domestic terrorism" then the event at Ft. Hood qualifies. Both were planned attacks against the Federal Government based on warped ideology.
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Terrorism is the systematic use of terror as a means of coercion, or violent acts intended to create fear and perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants - this may pass on the latter aspect, but not the former (yet, until his real motive is revealed), so can't really be called terrorism at this stage...

But anyway, Obama is always wrong, right?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Damn Brit Quote
Yeah, I've heard quite a few snippets here and there on the radio. The question arises "which agency dropped the ball on this one".
If this goes back to '07, that puts it on your guys watch.
May be, but he was sent to Ft. Hood on this guys watch. I guess it is tough to take time out of speechifying and world travels to actually make some tough decisions as C-I-C. The buck stops with the POTUS.

The Army hasn't executed anyone that has been condemned since 1961 when they hung Bennett for raping a 12 year old girl and attempted murder. Bush approved the execution of a cook in July 2008 but the Federal Courts intervened and its under review. This one is going to be interesting. Court Martial jury will be made up of 12 officers that out rank Major Hasan. The prosecution won't play games like is typically done in civilian courts either. The defense will have every thing that's in the prosecutions file.

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I think in one of the other threads we toyed with the idea that there has to be a gov't definition of "terrorism".

Would the DC sniper be the ultimate definition of "domestic terrorist"? People were afraid to leave their homes for 2 weeks.

What does the prez have to do with the Ft. Hood shootings?

Edit: another thought. If the US gov't came up with a definition for "terrorist", then perhaps a "terrorism law" could specify that anyone convicted of aiding in a terrorist act would be subject to the same penalty as the triggerman. Like the death penalty. Expedited.
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QuoteOriginally posted by flippedgazelle Quote
What does the prez have to do with the Ft. Hood shootings?
He didn't call it an act of terrorism, and now he's upset graphics...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ash Quote
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror as a means of coercion, or violent acts intended to create fear and perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants - this may pass on the latter aspect, but not the former, so can't really be called terrorism?

But anyway, Obama is always wrong, right?
It fits those criteria you list. How does that differ from McVeigh? What about the 20+ emails to Al Q.? What about his interaction with key radical Imans?

However, in the context of the DHS report earlier this year, they like to pull McVeigh out of their ass in regards to domestic terrorism and point at people that voted for Ron Paul etc. However, It really doesn't matter. They are both murdering bastards.
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QuoteOriginally posted by flippedgazelle Quote
I think in one of the other threads we toyed with the idea that there has to be a gov't definition of "terrorism".

Would the DC sniper be the ultimate definition of "domestic terrorist"? People were afraid to leave their homes for 2 weeks.

What does the prez have to do with the Ft. Hood shootings?

Edit: another thought. If the US gov't came up with a definition for "terrorist", then perhaps a "terrorism law" could specify that anyone convicted of aiding in a terrorist act would be subject to the same penalty as the triggerman. Like the death penalty. Expedited.
There IS a Federal definition in the U.S. Code:

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(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
US CODE: Title 18,2331. Definitions
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There IS a Federal definition in the U.S. Code:
Groovy. Thanks for that.
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QuoteOriginally posted by creampuff Quote
Obviously you're so skewed in your thinking that you would label everything an act of terrorism and at the same time take a cheap shot at your own President. Yes the shooter was a disturbed individual and may even have attempted to contact people known to have terrorist links, but was the act perpetrated by a terror group? Who has come forward to claim responsibility for the shooting, as is customary of every terrorist organization from ETA, the IRA, even Al-Queda.
With all due respect, the shooter isn't Irish, or associated with the Green religion or the Orange religion. Furthermore, radicals have praised his actions and dubbed him a hero.

Edit: This guy had encountered some of these people previously and was trying contact them. Does anyone think Al Qaeda's standards are so high that they wouldn't take a guy with a chemistry degree from VPI and MD and rank of Major in the U.S. Army? If this guy wasn't good enough to get into Al Q., we need to re-assess the situation.

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QuoteOriginally posted by creampuff Quote
Yes the shooter was a disturbed individual and may even have attempted to contact people known to have terrorist links, but was the act perpetrated by a terror group? Who has come forward to claim responsibility for the shooting, as is customary of every terrorist organization from ETA, the IRA, even Al-Queda.
I would submit that you don't necessarily need to be a member of a terrorist group to be a terrorist.
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