How low can you go?

graphicgr8s · 11-17-2009, 07:30 AM

How many times do you really need to bow?

This is getting ridiculous.

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flippedgazelle · 11-17-2009, 07:36 AM

I'm not seeing the problem...?

Jasvox · 11-17-2009, 07:40 AM

Any lower and it would be porn.

Jas

flippedgazelle · 11-17-2009, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Jasvox

Any lower and it would be porn.

Jas

That woulda been Slick Willie!

ve2vfd · 11-17-2009, 07:48 AM

Yup, trying to rehabilitate America's international tattered reputation by showing basic respect to other world leaders is completely scandalous! It must stop now!

Pat

graphicgr8s · 11-17-2009, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by flippedgazelle

I'm not seeing the problem...?

So it's OK to bow to the Saudi king and this guy? Guess we better get use to it. The Chinese do own us after all. Have you ever seen any of the other 43 POTUS bow to another leader?

(Maybe he should get use to kissing a$$ too.)

Parallax · 11-17-2009, 07:57 AM

I'm not sure bowing is completely accurate here. This looks more like surrendering to me.

melander · 11-17-2009, 07:57 AM

If you go to other countries you adopt there curteisies, or you are a fool and dont.

Nachodog · 11-17-2009, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

I'm not sure bowing is completely accurate here. This looks more like surrendering to me.

Bowing in asian cultures isn't a sign of submission, but a sign of respect and trust. If he kneeled on the ground and bowed with his head to the floor, that would be a sign of submission.

I don't see anything wrong with the POTUS bowing like this to an asian leader.

Wheatfield · 11-17-2009, 08:32 AM

What is the required protocol for greeting that particular leader in his own country? If bowing is required, then Obama is doing the right thing.

Parallax · 11-17-2009, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Nachodog

Bowing in asian cultures isn't a sign of submission, but a sign of respect and trust. If he kneeled on the ground and bowed with his head to the floor, that would be a sign of submission....................

You are correct, but its meaning depends also on who is bowing and why. In this case, I not convinced, or encouraged.

Jasvox · 11-17-2009, 08:43 AM

He could have just puked or passed out...wait, that's been done before.

Jason

Jasvox · 11-17-2009, 08:45 AM

...or he could hug him (ala Charlie Crist)

Jason

Nachodog · 11-17-2009, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

You are correct, but its meaning depends also on who is bowing and why. In this case, I not convinced, or encouraged.

I see what you're saying and I half agree. The meaning can be lost or misunderstood by the person giving the gesture or it could be done with a different intent. However, these kinds of gestures are purely external and for show. The meaning of an outward expression cannot be misconstrued because in a given culture, its meaning is well known.

This is why you're questioning the bowing. In North American culture, bowing is a sign of submission or of surrender. In Asian culture it's not. To us, the POTUS bowing to another leader is cause for a bit of anxiety, but to Asian people it's a friendly sign of respect.

In my opinion any gesture made toward another culture should be interpreted within that culture. If an Asian leader were to flip Obama off, that would be unbearably offensive to North Americans but Asians would think it benign and would not understand the visceral meaning behind that gesture (although I think anyone around the world would know that gesture by now). In this example, the meaning of a gesture is much more important to the recipient than to the one giving it.

Parallax · 11-17-2009, 09:19 AM

Nachodog, you are abolutely correct in everything above. I am absolutely certain the recipient took it as a sign of respect and courtesy. What I am not completely certain of is the intent on OBO's part. Was he bowing out of respect or was he offering America's sword in surrender?

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11-17-2009, 07:36 AM	#2
flippedgazelle Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,270	I'm not seeing the problem...?

11-17-2009, 07:40 AM	#3
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	Any lower and it would be porn. Jas

11-17-2009, 07:42 AM	#4
flippedgazelle Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NJ, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,270	Originally posted by Jasvox Any lower and it would be porn. Jas That woulda been Slick Willie!

11-17-2009, 07:48 AM	#5
ve2vfd Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,433	Yup, trying to rehabilitate America's international tattered reputation by showing basic respect to other world leaders is completely scandalous! It must stop now! Pat

11-17-2009, 07:49 AM	#6
graphicgr8s Guest	Originally posted by flippedgazelle I'm not seeing the problem...? So it's OK to bow to the Saudi king and this guy? Guess we better get use to it. The Chinese do own us after all. Have you ever seen any of the other 43 POTUS bow to another leader? (Maybe he should get use to kissing a$$ too.)

11-17-2009, 07:57 AM	#7
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	I'm not sure bowing is completely accurate here. This looks more like surrendering to me.

11-17-2009, 07:57 AM	#8
melander Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden, Umea Posts: 876	If you go to other countries you adopt there curteisies, or you are a fool and dont.

11-17-2009, 08:25 AM	#9
Nachodog Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal, Qc Posts: 472	Originally posted by Parallax I'm not sure bowing is completely accurate here. This looks more like surrendering to me. Bowing in asian cultures isn't a sign of submission, but a sign of respect and trust. If he kneeled on the ground and bowed with his head to the floor, that would be a sign of submission. I don't see anything wrong with the POTUS bowing like this to an asian leader.

11-17-2009, 08:32 AM	#10
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	What is the required protocol for greeting that particular leader in his own country? If bowing is required, then Obama is doing the right thing.

11-17-2009, 08:33 AM	#11
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by Nachodog Bowing in asian cultures isn't a sign of submission, but a sign of respect and trust. If he kneeled on the ground and bowed with his head to the floor, that would be a sign of submission.................... You are correct, but its meaning depends also on who is bowing and why. In this case, I not convinced, or encouraged.

11-17-2009, 08:43 AM	#12
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	He could have just puked or passed out...wait, that's been done before. Jason

11-17-2009, 08:45 AM	#13
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	...or he could hug him (ala Charlie Crist) Jason

11-17-2009, 08:55 AM	#14
Nachodog Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal, Qc Posts: 472	Originally posted by Parallax You are correct, but its meaning depends also on who is bowing and why. In this case, I not convinced, or encouraged. I see what you're saying and I half agree. The meaning can be lost or misunderstood by the person giving the gesture or it could be done with a different intent. However, these kinds of gestures are purely external and for show. The meaning of an outward expression cannot be misconstrued because in a given culture, its meaning is well known. This is why you're questioning the bowing. In North American culture, bowing is a sign of submission or of surrender. In Asian culture it's not. To us, the POTUS bowing to another leader is cause for a bit of anxiety, but to Asian people it's a friendly sign of respect. In my opinion any gesture made toward another culture should be interpreted within that culture. If an Asian leader were to flip Obama off, that would be unbearably offensive to North Americans but Asians would think it benign and would not understand the visceral meaning behind that gesture (although I think anyone around the world would know that gesture by now). In this example, the meaning of a gesture is much more important to the recipient than to the one giving it.

11-17-2009, 09:19 AM	#15
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Nachodog, you are abolutely correct in everything above. I am absolutely certain the recipient took it as a sign of respect and courtesy. What I am not completely certain of is the intent on OBO's part. Was he bowing out of respect or was he offering America's sword in surrender?